They will taunt Gluth's ghouls, so don't use it on that fight.

I decided to try the frost spec last night and ended up doing better damage than what I did with dw before patch. I used the standard 21/50 spec with VotW and was in unholy presence. It was actually the first time I ran with frost spec and I forgot to use unbreakable armor. I had flask and str food up. I used AotD and the ghoul in the beginning of the fight. The kill took about 2 min 40 seconds. I logged out with the gear I used in the fight.

Rotation I used was BT-IT-OB-OB-BS-dump. I priorized using FS if KM procced inbetween rotation and HoW when it was available.

No one was taking wws, so I have only picture from recount.


Cior was sporting with DW build(33/38) and for some reason recount doesn't count his AotD damage(his recount showed him ~5.9k dps). I don't think he had flask up.

Purely in the interest of those lurkers who want self-buffed data:

Well here's what I got self buffed for 3 minutes (Horn duration)

Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory
rotation:

PS-IT-BS-BS-OB - Frost Strike (3)
PS-IT-IT-IT-IT-IT (I don't get 6 which is wierd considering everyone else says they get them) FS (HB is Rime procs, I save Rime for dump part to not trip up rotation)

I had 2 minute Ghoul,

Glyphs:

Ghoul
Icy Touch
Frost Strike




I assume I can't get much higher because one, Frost Strike, OB they both use Weapon Damage and well, I need Death's Bite.

Also, I don't have IT Sigil, workin' on it.

Using 21/50/0 spec. There are people who are getting 3k but I guess at this point I'm limited by gear. 2700 aint bad over a 3 minute span, but once the ghoul dies, it'll go down to about 2400 probably. I'd like to see a 44/27 build do more but rotations are clunky without Death Rune Mastery which means OB's won't be Death Runes X.x

Talent Spec 21/50

Rotation: BT At start, IT>BS>OB>OB>FS(Rime)

Frost Strike at the end of every Rotation until all RP is used
Used BT/UA macro every minute after first BT
Risen Ghoul was used at Start on PW
4pc T7
Glyphs are IT/OB/FS
Maexnna was done in BP rest of instance is in UP, my experiences found that UP was better.
123ms Latency on average

wws: Wow Web Stats - 10 Man(8 Man achievement run)

Weapon: [Death's Bite]
Runeforge: Rune of the Fallen Crusader - Spell - World of Warcraft
Sigil: [Sigil of Awareness]

I'm logged out in pvp gear atm so here is my gear profile

Head: [Valorous Scourgeborne Helmet]
Neck: [Pendant of the Dragonsworn]
Back: [Drape of the Deadly Foe]
Shoulders: [Valorous Scourgeborne Shoulderplates]
Chest: [Breastplate of Frozen Pain]
Bracers: [Bracers of the Tyrant]
Gloves [Valorous Scourgeborne Gauntlets]
Belt: [Girdle of Razuvious]
Legs: [Valorous Scourgeborne Legplates]
Boots: [Bladed Steelboots]
Ring1: [Ruthlessness]
Ring2: [Circle of Death]
Trinket1: [Fury of the Five Flights]
Trinket2: [Mirror of Truth]

I'm Bs/JC so I have a 27 str gem in the blue sockets of my Helm, Shoulders and Gloves and 3 extra +16 Str gems
Enchanted for AP on Bracers, Boots, Gloves, Agility on cloak, +10 stats on chest, Exalted Hadir rep shoulder chant, epic LW Crit/ap leg chant, Epic helm chant form Ebon Blade revered. Hit and Expertise capped.

So I see those numbers here, and I wonder why I'm doing half of what some people are doing on patchwerk. Last night I think i was doing 2.2k dps on Patchwerk 25 men and quite frankly i was disappointed because I don't think my gear sucks that bad, so I am willing to respec to try something else.

Log of the performance on other bosses can be shown here, so if anyone can tell me what the hell is wrong with my stuff, I'd appreciate lol.. i might have to switch unholy or try that 51/0/20 build I've seen... since i am not sure i want to control a ghoul all the time... but i might switch unholy.

Especially since this raid leader I'm with is pretty dps crazy more than raid utility, so blood aura might not be that useful.

For Informational Purposes

I ran with the standard 51/0/20 Blood spec, wearing 4pcT7, Betrayer, and Sigil of Awareness, also Blood Presence. I wasn't impressed with the numbers I was putting up with this build and will try the 21/50 build over the next week.

WWS

Only 4270 dps on PW and 9th on DPS for that fight when I've been used to being on top.

Deep blood is extremely gear-dependent. You have a blue chest loaded with armor pen, you're almost 2% over melee hit cap, you still have blue boots and a blue ring, and your gem choices are atrocious; you're socketing things like hit, hit/stam, crit/stam,and crit for socket bonuses that are not worth it (including stam). Gems like crit/stam wouldn't even be worth it for a strength bonus. Except for the 2 necessary purples for your meta bonus, you should be socketing solid +16 strength. You should read the basic DK PvE dps thread on the TTT and check some of the early threads here or maxdps.com or LootRank for easy upgrades to your blues. Your spec is fine, blood aura is a valuable contribution as long as you're that deep in blood.

You don't really have a good fight in that WWS to analyze dps, though, as neither Gothik or 4 Horsemen is a good benchmark, but I'll make an educated guess from this data that you need practice on your rotations on a boss target dummy. On Gothik, you have 22 ticks of Frost Fever but only 12 ticks of Blood Plague, and a similar issue on 4 Horsemen with 99 ticks of FF but only 81 of BP, so you may be letting Blood Plague drop off. If you're running blood presence, you may see a gain with unholy presence as your spec, especially if your rotations are not perfect. I would run Recount and test your dps in each presence on a boss target dummy to see if you get a significant gain.

Well, i had to use some of these gems for the meta socket activation, and for some reason, I've not seen most of the one I needed in the AH, and I didn't bother to find a JWC able to craft them since I needed my 2 blue to activate the meta socket. Blues are pretty normal and will be replaced soon, I know this chest piece is bad, but I'm losing rolls on 4 horsemen all the time.

I just noticed that I wasn't dumping all runic power with death coil when i was using it (lazy me did macros), so that might explain a few things, I will check it out.

Thanks for the tips, I will do some dummy testing for sure, but i was also considering checking out the other blood popular spec to see if it was doing better (with the gargoyle), but I like having the raid utilities too, which could be useful.

That is because they don't use PS. Rotation should be: BSx2-OBx2 -> ITx6 with FS around (pref. when KM procs).

Properly kited zombies will be on the other side of room and will not cause any problems. If any come close enough to be taunted it will be eaten by Gluth anyway.

I have read all the posts in this tread and numerous posts in other threads regarding DK dps. I have always played a resto shaman (Isha on Draka) and I have a lot of raiding experience.
I have decided to play a DK too. My question is..... Is there a consensus yet on which spec is best for a raiding DK? I havent been able to figre this ot yet from all of the posts on here yet.
I want to level my DK using this spec as it’s the best way for me to learn spells and rotation and have it down by the time I can get into raiding. I don’t care if it’s harder to level with this spec as I am in no big hurry but want to start it right from the start.
I hope I didn’t break any rules with this post
Thanks In advance!
Isha aka Ahsi

Wierd thing, when I did the BS>BS>OB>OB runedump ITx6 rotation I got 2.6k DPS fairly consistently. Against a fully sundered, CoE/Ebon Plaguebringer'd mob the damage will shoot past that.

Overall I feel pretty good, I probably won't be able to do 3k on a dummy until I get a better weap.

Pardon my ignorance, because i've been away from the game for 3 months now various physical injuries that kept me from sitting. I've gone through numerous threads looking for the best presence for 32/39, but I just cant find a definitive answer. I come out a bit better on dps in unholy on the dummies, but the haste throws me so far off of my rotation that eventually, I just find myself casting whatever comes up after a certain point, whereas blood has a definitive rotation taht you can stick to constantly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

I found myself in the same situation as you. I did various tests on the boss dummy to decide which presence was best.
Result was that UP was giving me the most dps.

I've done a 25m naxx yesterday where I reached 4.5k dps (UP) on patchwerk & did a 10m naxx today where i reached 4.6k dps (BP). In the 10m naxx I didn't had all raidbuffs so I guess in 25m my dps will be even higher.

My conclusion so far is that BP is better than UP in raids. I'm going to test 25m naxx with BP next reset & make a final decision.

i'm pretty sure BP should always be used, haven't personally seen any good use for the UP, not sure if its suppose to work on mounts as well but the speed increase seems busted with it too

Assuming, for argument's sake, that Blood Presence is best for the 32/39 build, what would be the proper rotation / priority system in that presence? I've been running 32/39 for the last couple of weeks, but was under the impression that Unholy was the way to go.

My rotation has generally been
IT > PS > HB > BS > BS > RP
IT > PS > HB > IT > IT > RP

And with the increased haste from unholy presence, it seems to fit together just fine.

When I swap it over to Blood Presence, it feels clunky and awkward. Granted, a lot of that could just be that things are slowed down a bit, but is the rotation still appropriate with Blood Presence, or is there another way of doing things that would be better?

E: Thanks for the replies, everyone. In response to the question below, I generally don't lag much, and am pretty quick with my rotations. I do have a bit of downtime at the end of the second runes, but I suppose I assumed that was built into the rotation, and that the bit of downtime at the end still yielded better results than a slower rotation. I'll be spending some time evaluating blood presence, though a few initial tests are showing pretty clearly that it has a higher DPS output than unholy presence was for me. Thanks again!

Do you have a bit of lag at all, or are you not particularly quick? Not being accusatory, its just taht when I do UP, I find myself, with the increased speed on gcd, with a lot of downtime after I finish my first rotation. I get IT>UT>HB>BS>BS>Dump

But then after that rotation, I find there's a 2 second gap where I'm on auto attack with nothing to do.

How are you hitting 5600+ dps on single target bosses?

I feel I have the gear to do it however I am just coming up with about 3800 - 4kdps on patches and such. Not sure what I am doing wrong I am nailing my rotations..just dont get it

The World of Warcraft Armory

In short, fast kills.

The PW encounters where high DPS numbers are shown are generally so short (due to nearly every DPS in the raid putting out similar numbers) that any cooldowns (i.e. Heroism) are up for a much higher percentage of the fight than when compared to a raid that kills PW in 4+ minutes (which generally have a higher disparity in DPS numbers across raid members).

0/32/39
Priority based rotation
Widow's Fury/Split Greathammer
5945 Recalculated DPS (see below)/5605 Actual DPS according to WoWMeteronline
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I was raiding with an Unholy DK so no 3rd disease.

What hurt my DPS most is that I died early at ~40% while Heroism was just popped and Merciless Combat didn't affect my abilities yet. Due to stopping to count my DPS when I stop dealing damage and my 18 second diseases, my actual DPS also went down quite a bit after I died, I was at a constant ~5900 before I died.

Edit: Just recalculated my DPS, what I did:
Using my death time and the combat start time I calculated my duration I was alive (116 seconds) opposing to my DPS time (124 seconds), because of that 8 seconds difference I took the total damage, subtracted three average BP and FF ticks and divided it by my calculated actual time I was alive. This results in 5945 DPS. ( (695059-3*(1030+775))/116 )

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4820 DPS on 10 man PW, 16% windfury and no 10% AP. Same spec/stats as above (20/51 Fast/Fast).

Hopefully I'll be able to grab 25 man tomorrow. Just trying to keep DW Unholy in the running :P

It should be a requirement that a person survive an entire fight to post numbers for it--otherwise, we'll see people popping garg/cooldowns and dying right after pulling ahead unfairly.

This is common sense. I've noticed quite a few questions regarding specs/presences etc, these would best be serviced in the specific threads created for said specs. This thread is for posting your exceptional parse of you doing considerably high damage - it's not the place to come if you've specced blood for the first time and are wondering why your half-assed belligerent effort produced sub-par, or even sub-tank DPS.

The spec specific threads are well monitored by a number of very helpful Death Knights who play their specs to an art, and will provide the most answers.