I'm not sure you really understanding what I'm saying: I've been talking about how to reach MAX threat while still being able to tank and not wipe due to lacking mitigation (which is what every tank so far on wowmeters has done, except for one example of the top threat tank on KT, as he was in 4 piece DPS set). This is something that I enjoy as competition for tanking, I can't really compete with anything as a tank while raiding, but I do have online threat meters.

Griefknight, you are making valid points of course, but your points just don't apply to MY raids, they may very well apply to many others though. You have to understand that I enjoy competition, as well as pushing my raid's dps. If you don't care about online meters, or just don't care about threat for that matter, just ignore my posts, as I will usually be posting on how to maximize threat because that's what I, and some other players enjoy doing. There are some tanks I know who are crazy about mitigation and they go to maximize that. To that I say: Go for it! Set a goal for something and do your best at it, as long as the raid as a whole doesn't suffer from it.

This is a good thing to point out. Now, it was under 2 and a half minute kill, but still a tank beating dps should be unacceptable. While it wasn't horrible dps on anyone's part, it did make everyone realize they need to pick it up, check out this link from the week after: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish(sunders fell off which is why my threat and dps suffered). Notice how much better everyone performed with a 2:10 timer.

Again, it's like I said, even though this much threat is not necessarily needed, it's something I enjoy doing and it doesn't cause any problems for the raid (plus at points where it does matter for dps, like the start of a fight or crazy chain crits, they will all love you).

I leveled my DK to start tanking, was still lvl 55 no more then 4 weeks ago. my armory link The World of Warcraft Armory

In frost presence it's 33k unbuffed health (note this is before specing into a Sarth tanking spec, which is the question I'm coming to).

What I basically want to know is: Is my gear at a lvl where swapping me for a druid tank(roughly 48-49k hp) as Sarth 3D tank is a good idea? With the unholy Sarth 3D spec it would give an extra 8% health and put me at roughly 35,5k unbuffed hp. My avoidance might be somewhat lacking, but this is not a MAJOR concern for this fight I presume(albeit I might take a lot of punishment when the 3 drakes are down).

Next question: How much(do I REALLY need it?) FR should I have and what slots should I get it in (head/cloak enchant?)?

Thank you for your time, I really appreciate this thread.

Edit:
In reference to the poster below, something like this: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...1&version=9551 ?

Sorry to keep coming with more Sarth questions,but what is the Cooldown rotations for flame breaths with:

The blood spec?

and the Unholy?


I know I have seen some rotations from the unholy tree, but would be nice to see both sort of set up against eachother for comparison.

Thx, I'm sure a few of you are already tired of this fight

As blood tanking on sarth i usually do this as a cd rotation - AMS, IBF just before a breath hits and 90% of the time with the 4 piece t7 bonus ill absorb the third breath with it, ill pop VB with about 5 seconds left on IBF and prepare a fire prot pot for use if IBF runs out or save it for fourth if it doesnt, if i had to sue the prot pot for the third breath ill use army of the dead then ams will be up for the next breath. That was the longest i ever went on for and that was quite a while ago your dps must be very stretched if you need to go on longer.

Back to my original reason to come out of lurking i just had a thought yesterday in regards to deathknights and avoidance diminishing returns. Since its calculated purely by rating does forceful deflection not really screw parry DR for dks more than other tanking classes? For example i have 380 dodge rating and 560 parry rating unbuffed, now if you take the dodge and parry trinket both are close enough to 2% avoidance base to thing of them as thus, i get 1.54% avoidance from the dodge but only 1.06% from the parry. So the dodge loses about 30% of its avoidance due to DR but the parry gets to almost 50% reduction due to the high amount of extra rating i get from forceful deflection which is quite worrying for future gearing in my opinion.
It seems like deathknights in higher levels of gearing will benefit less and less from parry avoidance (as expensive as it is already) than warriors and paladins who haev a % increase to their parry that bypasses diminishing returns from talents and thus gives them a better quality of avoidance from rating on gear than we get. I dont envision this becoming a HUGE issue for the immediate future in ulduar since we can balance out dodge gear i suppose but in later gear when we get more dodge rating we'll still have that early DR reduction due to forceful deflection whereas paladins and warriors will still be able to balance their ratings a lot more reliably than we will.

If im missing something here please fill me in im very much new to tanking this expansion and i only literally started giving thoughts to how diminshing returns affect avoidance two days ago so il be the first to admit i most likely have something seriously wrong.