The only thing I would change with that build is take 1 point out of Rune Tap and 2 out of Runic Power Mastery then put 3 into Morbidity. I don't know why you took Dancing Rune Weapon, I'd move that point to CE or possibly take 2 out of Two-Handed Weapon Specialization and then put all 3 into Improved Icy Touch. I personally make it a rule to always use a 10/8/8 (optional +2) point setup for any threat/survivability build and any build in the OP will have Improved Icy Touch because not everyone has another person to apply the debuff.

That is because it is completely useless for a tanking build (unless we need to break fear for some reason).
You need new healers unless its something like progression +drakes during a fire wall (for example). I use to include Imp Rune Tap but I'm finding that in 3.1 you don't really have enough points to get it unless you sacrifice something (usually threat).

I was curious if anyone knew which three points would provide more single target threat to a blood tanking build. Sudden doom or Might of Mograine. I was thinking of using This spec and I was wondering if i should trade MoM for Sudden Doom.

Rather than trade one for the other, just drop the two points out of Improved Rune Tap and use 2/3 Sudden Doom. If you really need the extra from Improved Rune Tap, your healers have a problem.

I'd say it's a little bit of hysterical nervousness, but I suppose most of us are feeling it with it being patch day and all.

I've yet to test frost aoe extensively in 3.1, however I LOVE the control that howling blast offers as opposed to blood boil. It always seems to be far more "snap"py. I am also having a lot of the same issues deciding on how to spec tonight, and the specs you provided in your post are exactly the two I will be using, thank goodness for dual-spec!

Edit: My bad, Howling Blast's range is 20 yards.

I don't know how paladins are getting their AoE threat nerfed, but considering how great it was before I don't think a reasonable nerf is going to make them useless for the role.

That aside, Frost makes an awesome AoE tanking tree. Deathchill/KM proc + Howling Blast makes for amazing snap aggro and unless people have been wailing on the adds for a while you can get aggro on them pretty easily with that alone. With the changes to Blood Boil, I don't think blood will have a huge problem AoE tanking either, if you really want to stick with it. Blood Boil can cause some serious damage now as long as the targets have a disease on them, and with DRM you can use it quite a lot. If your paladin really feels like he can't handle AoE tanking anymore, you should be able to do it fine with either spec.

I took that 57/7/7 build and dropped Epidemic, Runic Power Mastery, Dancing Rune Weapon, and Blood Tap, and Death Rune Mastery in order to pickup Morbidity, Improved Icy Touch, Improved Blood Presence, and Hysteria.

55/8/8 (without death rune mastery)

My question is, do you guys think the rotation transforming Death Strikes into Blood / Heart Strikes outweighs the benefit of an additional 4% self healing and the ability to buff your raid's top dps with Hysteria?

I feel like the rest of the spec is without room for flexibility, so it comes down to where those 3 points provide the biggest benifit.

I was looking at same thing as fester really. Except I like 5/5 Bladed and only 2 points into Scent of blood. Also with my glyphs I changed a few things.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...4&version=9767

I might switch my Icy touch glyph for either rune strike or icebound fortitude. But I need to find the exact numbers people have crunched on those 2.

But as of now, with 2/3 Scent and Glyph of Icy touch, runepower is limitless. and I gain all kinds of massive sinle target threat. With howling blast and pestilence/bb, youve got more AE threat than you'll need as frost IMO. So everything I do really is focused on ST threat.\


Edit: To the post a few before mine. Where did you get your info or anyone got a link to the math on 2/2 weapon specialization > subversion. I use obliterate more than howling blast in most cases besides trash pulls AE threat.

But if that is the case, I might switch to 3/3 Scent of blood and 2/2 2hweapon specialization instead of subversion and use something like this spec

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...4&version=9767

My guild's never dropped (or even attempted for that matter) Sarth+3, but I was the MT on Sarth for our first downing of 2 drake Sarth. I didn't go any specific spec, just my standard Blood tanking spec.

My question to you all is with Dual Speccing coming out, I'm not sure which of these 3 tanking specs I've created will complement each other the best. Keep in mind that my guild has a plethora of DKs and usually takes 4 to 6 per 25 man and I'm the only Blood there so IIT will be on the target at all times as well as Ebon Plaguebringer:

Blood

This will for sure be my main, single target threat spec. I picked up Spell Deflection as I see it proc on more spells than I think people realize so it's simply a preference of mine. Also I chose Glyph of Death Strike and Dark Death as I plan to replace Obliterate in my rotation; and Dark Death coupled with Sudden Doom and Morbidity should be some healthy single target threat. I did not pick up SoB as I find as a blood tank, I rarely use my RP on anything but rune strikes and with there always being a blood or death rune available, don't have the extra time in my rotation to spam DC every few seconds.

Frost

My goal with this spec is to try and become more magic resistant yet still maintain a lot of AoE tanking capability. With (from what I understand, not actually experienced) Frost's better single target threat generation, this should hopefully still allow me to tank bosses. More specifically though, I really wanted to get my magic mitigation high.

Unholy

This spec I plan to be my primary AoE tanking spec, but I remember it was quite useful for magic damage mitigation as well. I don't have much to say about this as I find it to be not much more useful otherwise, yet find myself unable to simply disregard it. I did not pick up Desecration as I expect Ulduar will require more movement than we've seen thus far.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

So what would win out in a fight for TPS superiority? 2 points into 2h Weapon Mastery or 2 points into Morbidity? With the shadow damage increase in Frost now and the already high TPS on DnD, is it worth using even on single targets?

I can see if you need the points in imp icy touch you could move stuff. I did dancing rune weapon cause its a 1 point investment for lots of dps on a burn fight. I want to try this with 2/2 runic power mastery too see how much that helps with the dmg from my Death Strikes, do you feel the 15% dmg increase from Morbidity would make up for the threat and dmg from 2/2 runic mastery? Because I could easily dump DRW and that for it.