Can somone link me or explain to me, why the general consesus is that 5% bonus damage(and thus threat), a free mini frost trap, and some free Threat on application is a waste of talent points?

Im talking about Desecration of course, sure....on fights where u move around constantly its not as good, but as a tank that isnt as common.

Yes, it was assuming a glyphed OB. Edited the post for clarity, sorry.

I've found that the Annihilation and OBx2 rotation generates more threat then the HSx4 or HSx6 rotations in my personal experience of tanking each encounter as deep blood (excluding Sarth 2/3D)(I know I haven't killed Malygos either, P3 is "hard").
I realize that both of them are basically the same rotation but I use them based on the situation of the fight, like Patchwerk where I have to pull him from a distance or Loatheb where I need to keep him in one spot.

To get back on topic- I would imagine that you spec is superior if you were tanking trash mobs or adds on a boss or weren't tanking a boss where the threat you generate is critical. The rotations that have HSx4 or HSx6 increase the chance of you getting a dodge/parry/miss and the rotation may end up being a HSx8 if you just spam HS. Then there are the OB rotations that have a less chance of you getting a dodge/parry/miss streak and even if you do the rotation won't mess up because you can only use the D, F, or U runes so even if your attack is avoided 3 times in a row and the other runes come back up you could simply restart the rotation. I mean sure you could do the same with blood and restart the rotation but there is a lower chance of that happening with the OB rotations which I find easier to manage. I think you would have to wait a few seconds as well if the HSx4/6/8 rotation did run into an avoidance streak (depending on which HS you are at).

I would imagine that a HSx4/6/8 rotation would do more threat if you had very high expertise and hit cap so that you would minimize the chance of an avoidance streak. They could very well generate near the same amount of threat if you used the proper glyphs and sigil as well. I think at this point there isn't really a way to tell how much sustained threat you are truly generating. I could say I did up to 8k TPS on my last 25man Sartharion but that doesn't mean anything and you can't take a screen picture of omen because the amount of TPS shown may be a huge spike. I'm sure there may be a few ways to see very closely how much sustained TPS you are generating, though I don't know what those methods are.

I realize I have no math proving these statements but I would assume its simple logic for most people (6 hits have a higher chance to be avoided then 2). I also realize I went off topic but there are a lot of people who read these forums without posting and will assume a HS spam rotation is better because not many talk about OB rotations being better or try to disprove the other, I wanted to attempt at doing that but we will need math to really prove which is better but even then they are most likely close to equal.


TL;DR The OB rotations are better until you have enough expertise and hit so that the large amounts of Heart Strikes won't be avoided because the more Heart Strikes avoided the longer the rotation is and the less TPS you end up doing. This is based on simple logic not math, I would love it if someone could provide math proving or disproving me so we can end this discussion and move on.

Gladly!

First: Most, if not all, bosses are immune to the slowing effect.

Second: Even if they were not, what are you trying to escape from as a tank?

Lastly: 5% bonus damage would be great, if it didn't cost 5pts. You can get 4% more damage for 2pts from 2H weapon specialization. There are many better places to put those points.