Suno's Fireside Chat - DK Endgame Tanking - Page 44

DJTimeKiller · 04/21/09, 10:04 AM

So being a Blood Tank, I haven't felt and TPS issues(4k-5k around avg when I look over at Omen ) though this may seem a tad low. But that aside, I'm wondering if there's anything that I'm missing that could help improve.

Talent Build + Glyphs

Hit is a bit low, plan on fixing that once the servers are up, I also have heart strike, but it doesn't seem to take notice, but it is in my spell book and hot keyed.

Illundai · 04/21/09, 12:10 PM

Has anyone done some maths on TPS breakdown of Bladed Armor and 2H-Spec? Need to figure out which one gives the best TPS boost before I respec.

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or

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P.S: Yes this is to get Acclimation, I have my reasons.

Edit: While we're at it, anyone did some tests on SoB uptime? How many points for a reliable uptime?

Kaejin · 04/21/09, 12:43 PM

I ran a short sim (only 72 hours each) using Kahorie's DK sim with the only difference between the two tested specs being 4/5 Bladed Armor and 0/2 2hWS or 2/5 BA and 2/2 2hWS.

The spec with 2/2 2hWS was approximately 120 TPS over the one without 2/2.

The specs tested were based on this spec:
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I hope that helps some.

Drolz · 04/21/09, 1:07 PM

Based on my Ulduar experience (through Vezax 10 man) there are really no fights that would benefit significantly from taking acclimation. From what I've heard about 25 man, it wouldn't really be worth it there either.

A lot of the really extreme magic damage you deal with in Ulduar is either irresistible (Plasma Blast), avoidable (Ignis's Scorch), instantly fatal (Mimiron's Rocket, also avoidable), or relatively trivial (Hodir).

Whether or not this would change on hard mode I'm not sure, but keep in mind that you'll probably also be dealing with some pretty unforgiving enrage timers there, making threat worth a premium.

sanddemon · 04/21/09, 1:50 PM

Saw this in the other thread....what do you guys think about the TPS difference between these two options.

5/5 Rage of Rivendare and 4/5 Impurity
vs
3/3 Veteran of the Third War and 5/5 Dark Conviction and 1/5 Impurity

I can't decide between this split in my Unholy build I'm playing with.

daia · 04/21/09, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Illundai

I'm looking into adding Acclimation to my frost spec for fights such as Ignis, Hodir, Council, Mimiron, Razorscale, Thorim, etc. Not as useful on some of those encounters, but extremely useful on others. Has anyone managed to free 3 points to put into Acclimation? Losing a point in SoB is alright (I already only have 2 points since I specced IIT for a 10 man) and I guess 2 points in 2H spec is alright too.

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The freezing cold aura on Hodir does not stack Acclimation. Just make the third piece of resist gear.

The nature damage aura on Iron Council does not stack Acclimation. You'll only get stacks from Fusion Punch, but by then, its too late.

Ignis scorch will stack Acclimation, but they just nerfed the damage on Scorch again.

I don't think its worth getting Acclimation anymore.

When I had it, I dropped 3 Bladed Armor and kept 3 SoB as a 10/54/7 spec.

thraant · 04/21/09, 6:28 PM

I'm trying to work IIT into a frost build for Ulduar10 since we don't have a reliable shammy. It's a caster heavy group, so the main person to benefit from IIT would only be me, and two other melee.

To be able to get IIT, I'm thinking about dropping Killing Machine and Deathchill. So here's the question, for threat generation is IIT better than Killing Machine plus Deathchill? Here's the build in question. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Kaejin · 04/21/09, 7:05 PM

Originally Posted by daia

The freezing cold aura on Hodir does not stack Acclimation. Just make the third piece of resist gear.

The nature damage aura on Iron Council does not stack Acclimation. You'll only get stacks from Fusion Punch, but by then, its too late.

Ignis scorch will stack Acclimation, but they just nerfed the damage on Scorch again.

I don't think its worth getting Acclimation anymore.

When I had it, I dropped 3 Bladed Armor and kept 3 SoB as a 10/54/7 spec.

Well, that's incredibly disappointing. Thanks for the heads up.

DianeOfTheMoon · 04/21/09, 9:30 PM

Originally Posted by thraant

I'm trying to work IIT into a frost build for Ulduar10 since we don't have a reliable shammy. It's a caster heavy group, so the main person to benefit from IIT would only be me, and two other melee.

To be able to get IIT, I'm thinking about dropping Killing Machine and Deathchill. So here's the question, for threat generation is IIT better than Killing Machine plus Deathchill? Here's the build in question. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thraant, I've had pretty good success with my build in 10 mans, though I found out on our last raid that Glyph of Disease or Glyph of Howling Blast will be about useless.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed that what triggered IIT wasn't Frost Fever but Icy Touch.

NoctemEx · 04/21/09, 9:48 PM

This is a spec I came up with as my secondary spec (I'm main spec DPS), I was curious what you guys thought of it. There were 2 points floating around so I grabbed Imp AMS. I like the idea of the build though, so any pointers that keep it roughly the same would be appreciated.

DWeidman · 04/21/09, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by DianeOfTheMoon

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed that what triggered IIT wasn't Frost Fever but Icy Touch.

If it is - it is a bug. I didn't notice either way.

DWeidman · 04/21/09, 9:57 PM

Originally Posted by NoctemEx

This is a spec I came up with as my secondary spec (I'm main spec DPS), I was curious what you guys thought of it. There were 2 points floating around so I grabbed Imp AMS. I like the idea of the build though, so any pointers that keep it roughly the same would be appreciated.

Rage of Rivendare is better than Black Ice. Period.

Picking up Night of the Dead without a ghoul doesn't make sense.

Blood Caked Blade can cause Parry hasting.

DianeOfTheMoon · 04/21/09, 11:43 PM

Hmm...from my whacking on a dummy, Pestilence with Glyph of Disease isn't refreshing IIT. Does anyone know if the Glyph of Howling Blast will proc it?

• frmorrison · 04/22/09, 1:02 AM

Originally Posted by DianeOfTheMoon

Does anyone know if the Glyph of Howling Blast will proc it?

It will proc IIT (assuming it hits). Interesting to see that the new glyph doesn't proc FF.

Zerath · 04/22/09, 1:26 AM

Originally Posted by DWeidman

Rage of Rivendare is better than Black Ice. Period.

Picking up Night of the Dead without a ghoul doesn't make sense.

Blood Caked Blade can cause Parry hasting.

BCB - if you aren't working on hard modes and need that extra threat is fine but will cause parry hasting like you stated.

Night of the Dead is almost wanted in Ulduar 10man. I was using it off and on the other night as a spare 40% Dmg reduction skill. It's a nice "Last Stand" putting if IBF/AMS/AMZ/BS are down. (Or stacked with them to mitigate even more damage.)