Koreth: I don't understand why you didn't take Abom's Might, it increases your strenght by 1/2% and if you start right at the beginning with an DS, you'll get +10% which grants more HS-Damage and therefore more threat.
Runetap is one thing to debate of...I was also in the same opinion as you, but RT is something your healers can't predict when you're using it, it's more of an PvE-Solo or PvP-Talent. So there are 4 points spent for (nearly) nothing.

As Taiyoken explained some posts above, he just finds use in RT in encounters like the General in Ulduar and if I recalculate the proccchance of Sudden Doom, I'll get the same number as Taiyoken explained:

So I'm also convinced that speccing into SD is a loss of 3 points...somehow.

(At this point: Thanks to Taiyoken and his explanations)



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Another question aside that: Is Mark of Blood really a raid utility? Yesterday we encountered 25m Hodir and I didn't recognize any difference from before when I didn't casted it on the boss...

Hi,
probably not one of you have tanked Mimiron HC mode, so if you would give me some tips it would be great, as i have some problems with it, namely threat problems.

I used the crappy Unholy build to get enough cooldowns to survive Plasma Blasts - i used them in pairs - for first one AMS + Icebound Forti, for second AMZ + Bones, third one was with healers cooldowns + whatever I could launch. It worked far better than with druid tank, who died whenever something bad happened to his healers. But i had severe problems with threat - DPS wasn't able to pull as much as they could and sometimes we had to deal with fourth Plasma.
One reason is probably the fact that normally I'm dpsing and I have rather weak tank gear - a mix of Naxx 10/25/Sarth. So I started thinking about Blood build. But is it doable - in terms of survivability or I would be healers nightmare?



I used to tank Sarth+3D, even with some adds on me all the time, with unholy dualwield build, but it was long ago and there was no threat issues.

I would appreciate any help, thanks in advance.

I know this is more of an Addon question but I'm very intrigued by all the talk about "healers cast bars" is their an addon out there that can give me stacked cast bars of heals targeting me? If so I would really love having that information at my finger tips so I could visually see when their are no rolling healing incoming so I can pull my pet out and get ready to sack him, pop certain CD's, ....run away and hide... (just kidding about the last part).

If no one knows here I'll go to the addon section and start poking around. Thanks ahead of time.

I think it's generally accepted that Unholy has the weakest single target threat of the possible builds. When I do this fight I do it as Blood. Here's a parse from our kill (3634 TPS): WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Here's a rundown of how I do each phase:
1) IBF for the first Plasma Blast, Vamp Blood + AMS + Wings for the second, and IBF + Wings for the third. He should hit phase 2 around the third Plasma Blast. If you get tricks off the bat on this your threat should be fine. If not, you could always Hysteria yourself. Also, make sure you use Empowered Rune Weapon at the start as well.
2) Standard melee DPS. I don't go Blood Presence because I don't want to be the guy that's in Blood Presence later, and causes a wipe.
3) I use a /target Assault Bot macro to pick up the assault bots. I Pestilence off of them, and Blood Boil when I can to pick up the Junk Bots as well. My first rotation on these is diseaseless to maximize the burst threat.
4) I set the Aerial Command Unit to my focus, and use a /cast [target=focus] Dark Command macro during this phase. Once I have threat everyone drops threat on the head if they can, and I tank the bottom and the top for the remainder of the phase. You can't really build much threat on the head so your ranged DPS need to warn you if they are about to overtake you so you can start taunting again.

It's very easy to live through phase 1 as Blood, and I think you'll find yourself having an easier time on threat. Wowmeteronline has two Unholy DK parses, and I'm a good bit ahead of those.

For Mimiron, we use..

1st = IBF
2nd = Pain Sup
3rd = IBF

For phase 3, I get a lot of use out of Morbidity, but that's about the only time I do.

Works like a charm...that is, until the you're in the 5th hour of wiping and a certain DK forgets to hit IBF. Oops.

Mayong, how are you faring on Algalon as blood? Unfortunately I'm taking a significant amount more damage that our pally. 11k average hit vs 8500. I forgot what it feels like to have healers bitching about damage done to me. We have a cat and a lock in the raid, but I'm pretty sure neither is keeping an AP debuff on him.

In 10 man Algalon the hits on me aren't a problem. I can't really talk about 25 man as we aren't doing it until tonight. Blood is fine for it because you still get 30 seconds of Vampiric Blood at a time, and the incidental Death Strike heals help out a lot. I use all of my U/F/Death runes on Death Strike on this fight to make sure I'm doing everything that I can to not die.

Last 10 man was me and a Druid tanking, and I got hit 38% of time he swung at me, and the bear got hit 45% of the time. I think it ends up being pretty even. If you have the best available gear and enchants you shouldn't have a problem with it.

Yeah, I was hit 39% of the time. I think a lot of it was just bad luck with the RNG...taking 3-4 main hand hits in a row. Unfortunately I can't use my IBF when it gets hairy, since I'm the one eating the bangs.

Wish there was a parsing site that didn't give errors from his logs.

Isn't Improved Icy Touch the obvious alternative? There's plenty of times in Ulduar.25 when you can't rely on someone else providing the debuff, and Ulduar.10 would be even worse.

Some things I noticed about Necrosis, it is applied when you do a Rune Strike and for 20% damage your Rune Strike did. So a tank should always get more of a return out of this talent than a dps spec, and it seems better than Subversion/Sudden Doom (on single target).

However, Blood Worms seem pretty good. They can proc on melee, HS and the HS secondary hit, and if they have an internal cooldown it is very short, and then heal you for 200-400 a hit. I don't know if they eat AoE healing and if have good targeting code, i.e. attack the rear of the mob.

@Myrx
I came across your post 2 pages back which stated that you tank both Vezax and Saronite Animus. I didn't think that was possible earlier, considering how hard both of them hit. May I ask, then, how much stamima and avoidance you roughly had at that time? Also, would you mind posting your talent build for that? Specifically, I am curious about the merit of speccing into Rune Tap and Imp. Rune Tap for Vezax HM. Thanks in advance.

In addition to fmorrison's points, tanking often encourages or requires using runes for purposes other than TPS/DPS. For a Blood Tank these moments tend to demand Blood or Death Runes that would normally have been used for Heart Strikes. As a result, Subversion and Sudden Doom depreciate in value when compared to DPS specs.

Necrosis, on the other hand, doesn't really change no matter how you spend your runes.