Death Knights 3.1: BIG UPDATE - Page 63

Gumibear · 03/30/09, 11:48 PM

Tier 8 has the same bonuses it had before. Those changes happened to tier 7.

Zurai · 03/31/09, 2:47 AM

Originally Posted by Adrammelech

Not sure I understand the Rime change, DW frost builds looking competitive enough to require that or something?

Edit: Forgot about the HB glyph.

HB glyph + Pestilence glyph + nerfed damage on IT, all of those make avoiding casting IT an attractive prospect. The ability to do so while maintaining free (and insta-cooldown) HBs makes Rime much more attractive, now.

Pepius · 03/31/09, 3:16 AM

I tried to make new Thread but dont have ability to do so, so i post here what i was thinking beacuse its linked to 3.1 patch.

Whit Dual Talent specs, what two talent specs will you have,

One tank one dps or one dps one PvP or some other combination.

Im stuck with Sarth+3d spec at the moment beacuse we are trying to get him down before patch. So not respecing out till either he is dead or patch comes out. But with that spec problem is in PvP they call me farm and in Heroics i can lose aggro with trigger happy mage or crit happy rogue.

So was wonderign what two talend specs will you run when 3.1 comes out.

I will probably be frost tank for Ulduar for my guild and only if Ulduar mobs dont get to immune to frost and will run 15/51/5 spec for frost tanking. But second talent spec will probably be 0/44/27 dps spec.

I choose Frost dps as folow up or back up spec just beacuse of easiness of palying almost same spec and use almost same rotations like tanking. Only difference would be lack of HB in dps spec.

Talked to some other DK tank friends and they all told me they will either go Blood or Unholy for DPS spec.

Mulgero · 03/31/09, 3:20 AM

Rime change while it's good was last nail to unholy presence coffin too. I don't see any spec using it at all except for running faster in Dalaran. DW builds will be prolly using it but in current PTR state I don't think that we will see those in raids at all.

I would like to see changes done to unholy presence for being viable presence..

Fugazor · 03/31/09, 6:07 AM

Something I noticed today - watch your macros! Every time you switch spec and gain some new ability (SS, HS, HB) macros get Rank 1 of those abilities. You need to resave that macro then it will get proper max rank again or just edit all macros to use specific rank to avoid this problem.

elf-boy · 03/31/09, 8:38 AM

Dont know if its been braught up: I was just on the PTR. Rime now procs off of Oblit and not IT at all. I verified this with the combat log. I was hoping it was just a typo. That largely kills rime for me in any DW build I might try to come up with.

Valtiel · 03/31/09, 9:12 AM

Originally Posted by elf-boy

Dont know if its been braught up: I was just on the PTR. Rime now procs off of Oblit and not IT at all. I verified this with the combat log. I was hoping it was just a typo. That largely kills rime for me in any DW build I might try to come up with.

It's intentional. Very bad for DW/IT spamm builds, very good for OB/2h Frost builds.

I guess they're trying to kill 1F shadowfrost builds.

Foxx2405 · 03/31/09, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Fugazor

Something I noticed today - watch your macros! Every time you switch spec and gain some new ability (SS, HS, HB) macros get Rank 1 of those abilities. You need to resave that macro then it will get proper max rank again or just edit all macros to use specific rank to avoid this problem.

Is this new in the PTR or has this been around for a while ?
I switch spec regularly and i use macro's on most of my attacks due to runestrike.

Sounds a bit odd though, since the whole purpose of not giving up a rank is so it automatically uses the highest rank.

basto · 03/31/09, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Foxx2405

Is this new in the PTR or has this been around for a while...
I switch spec regularly and i use macro's on most of my attacks due to runestrike.

Sounds a bit odd though, since the whole purpose of not giving up a rank is so it automatically uses the highest rank.

Sounds like a bug that needs to be reported...

• frmorrison · 03/31/09, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by Fugazor

Something I noticed today - watch your macros! Every time you switch spec and gain some new ability (SS, HS, HB) macros get Rank 1 of those abilities. You need to resave that macro then it will get proper max rank again or just edit all macros to use specific rank to avoid this problem.

So you have a macro that has "/cast SS" that uses rank 1 of the ability when you have bought all ranks?

On live ignoring the rank part of a macro means it always uses the highest rank. I will try that out on the PTR though.

Regarding Unholy Presence (question was asked earlier), it is a great PvP ability and perhaps good for some grinding. Something that works it only limited areas is fine.

Edit: I did not have the rank 1 issue with my DK or Paladin so /cast talented ability x worked fine.

Fugazor · 04/01/09, 2:47 PM

We had little fun with PTR patchwerks today while waiting for test to start and I would like to share something I found out.

All three specs (yes Blood included!) were damn close to each other. As for DK dps overall it on top, just behind crazy mutilate rogue and with ench shaman. So maybe all this doom saying about Blood being not viable is not really true. Just keep in mind we used Shirt of Uber so it may not be true with current level of gear.

Sinzar · 04/02/09, 11:19 PM

For the past few builds, Summon Gargoyle has lasted 10 seconds less than the tooltip describes (max of 30 seconds vs 40). Been reporting it each PTR build, but the bug hasn't been fixed yet. This latest PTR patch says Release in the version info, and the in game bug report tool was taken out, so I can't report the Gargoyle bug this build (the bug still exists). Hopefully they can hotfix it, since if it goes live in this state, Gargoyle is 25% weaker than it's supposed to be.

EDIT: Seems my forum bug report on the PTR forums got a response saying they will look into it. Here's to hoping it's fixed before the patch goes live.

Foxx2405 · 04/03/09, 3:54 AM

Originally Posted by Sinzar

For the past few builds, Summon Gargoyle has lasted 10 seconds less than the tooltip describes (max of 30 seconds vs 40). Been reporting it each PTR build, but the bug hasn't been fixed yet. This latest PTR patch says Release in the version info, and the in game bug report tool was taken out, so I can't report the Gargoyle bug this build (the bug still exists). Hopefully they can hotfix it, since if it goes live in this state, Gargoyle is 25% weaker than it's supposed to be.

EDIT: Seems my forum bug report on the PTR forums got a response saying they will look into it. Here's to hoping it's fixed before the patch goes live.

Are you sure you're not making the obvious mistake others (like me) made as well ?

Gargoyle when summoned has the first 10 seconds of its lifespan "for free".
Basically the actual buff "Summon Gargoyle" wont show up until 10 seconds after its summoned because it doesn't start draining RP yet.

Just wondering because this is a pretty awful design blizzard made. But if you are just counting the seconds the buff lasts and that is 30 seconds, it adds another 10 seconds before the buff is displayed.

Valtiel · 04/03/09, 10:18 AM

At this point the PTR builds don't seem to be moving at such a crazy speed, so would it be too early to make a first evaluation of how the various speccs stand in compared to each other?

Obviously only first hand live server experience will give any concrete evidence, but a rough extimate at this point should be possible.
I've seen people in the UH dps discussion essentially state that now we can look at:

(00/10/61 top in "endgame" Ulduar gear)
12/00/59
51/2/18
17/54/00 and 00/54/17

Anyone has different feedback? WWS reports from the PTR would be lovely.

All the obvious considerations apply, evaluations over spreadsheet data aren't final, different fights are different and all.
My curiosity was more on the lines of: ok 3.1 brings the biggest overhaul of the DK class since release and... nothing changes. We still have UH on top, Blood lagging behind a bit, Frost a distant third contender.

Was it worth butchering DW speccs for this?
And as another evaluation - pre 3.1 most of our predictions were that Frost would scale extremely good in Ulduar due to Frost Strike and exceedingly good stats scaling. All in all, the frost changes will push us into skipping the Icy Touch glyph, losing the 4t7 setbonus and essentially losing that scaling advantage.

♦ Darkside · 04/03/09, 10:24 AM

Where are getting the information for these rankings of yours and why have you not discussed the two most prominent frost specs of 17/51/3 and 14/51/7 ?