Might want to double check your multipliers since you forgot at least Outbreak. The deathcoil sigil definitely does not add up to near as much dps as Awareness in any of my math (though it's possible I am in error). Also, I don't see armor factored in on the OB numbers.

Kinda wondering where those ability numbers came from as well. I realize I don't really lay it all out either but I'm seeing some odd numbers (7k frost strikes without Tundra stalker for instance)

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Will Unholy and Frost even bother with T8? I switched my T7.5 for T8.5 in simulator - without headpiece as it is badly itemized for Unholy and Frost - and I saw sidegrade and slight dps loss from that move.

Actually dropping T7 bonuses cost 200 dps for Unholy (150 for x4 and 50 for x2) and probably similar loss occurs for Frost. To cover that loss you need, for example, 150 STR - and that got you just in the same point. So overall random hard mode epics would need to provide at least 200 STR (or other stats with that value) to be even worth wearing.

We can assume those items are ilvl239, we know two like that: Plated Leggings of Ruination and Warhelm of the Champion. Now I put those in place of T7.5 meaning drop of 4xT7 bonus and dps stayed pretty much the same so x2 ilvl239 is sidegrade.

TLDR: As Unholy (and Frost most likely too) you need at least 2x ilvl239 epics to break 4xT7 and 4x ilvl239 epics to even get an upgrade from T7.5.

So are Unholy and Frost will be stuck in T7.5 until 3.2/late 3.1 or will those bonuses get nerfed hard?

Well I fucked up with Blood DPS numbers. The DPS put out by my simulator's were inflated by accounting for an extra HS or two here and there that weren't cast within diseases or penalized for such. This means that Blood is actually a strong bit lower than Unholy but still above Frost overall in a raid situation. Whatever the case, the numbers being generated look a lot more realistic given the PTR data available.

Kahorie's sim and my numbers are starting to be very close so I assume we are both on the right track or both making the same mistakes.

This is what I have so far:
Gear used is as follows...
Valorous' Scourgeborne Shoulderplates
Plated Leggings of Ruination
Valorous' Scourgeborne Battleplate
Valorous' Scourgeborne Helmet
Valorous' Scourgeborne Gauntlets
Belt of the Singing Blade
Desemator's Armguards
Battle Lord's Plate Boots
Wrathstone
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Sif's Promise
Ruthlessness
Figid Strength of Hodir
Stylish Power Cape
Voldrethar, Darkblade of Oblivion
Sigil of Awareness OR Sigil of DC/FS for blood and frost

BS Sockets = STR Gems
Sockets = STR gems + Bold Dragon's Eyes where socket bonuses are STR
Standard Enchants

All raid Buffs. Str food and Elixir.

DPS
12/0/59 Unholy = 6471 DPS with Fallen Crusader and 100% Ghoul
Glyphs: SS, Ghoul, Dark Death

51/2/18 Blood = 6226 DPS with Fallen Crusader and 50% Ghoul
Glyphs: DRW, Dark Death, Ghoul

17/51/3 Frost = 5969 DPS with Razorice and 25% Ghoul
Glyphs: FS, OB, IT

These numbers don't include waiting on procs for DRW/Garg (averaged instead) and if it did it would give Unholy even more of a lead.

Question: does the above-listed gear mean you used T7 for all three specs? T8 is definitely an upgrade for Blood spec, given the known gear available. Unless I'm way off, the T7 4-pc isn't nearly as valuable (and worth keeping) for a Blood spec in 3.1 as it is for the other two. I think there are also better possible combinations of gear for the various specs that would even that out a bit, particularly when the difference is 200 dps.

I was tring to keep the Data simple but here is the DPS for Blood with T8 instead of T7 and an attempt at BiS:

Conqueror's Darkruned Shoulderplates
Plated Leggings of Ruination
Conqueror's Darkruned Breastplate
Conqueror's Darkruned Helmet
Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets
Belt of Collosal Rage
Desemator's Armguards
Melancholy Sabatons
Wrathstone
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Sif's Promise
Edit: Strength of the Automaton
Figid Strength of Hodir
Stylish Power Cape
Voldrethar, Darkblade of Oblivion


51/2/18 Blood = 6285 DPS
EDIT:
51/2/18 Blood with Deathstrike Glyph instead of Ghoul = 6359 DPS

They were 30 minute Sims averaged over multiple samples to eliminate the most error possible (meaning approx. 24 Hours)

Try a 51/2/18 sim with these items instead.

Conqueror's Darkruned Shoulderplates
Clockwork Legplates (the sockets on Ruination legs are nice, but the ArP on Clockwork far exceeds the haste imo)*
Conqueror's Darkruned Breastplate
Conqueror's Darkruned Helmet
Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets
Girdle of Embers
Bitter Cold Armguards
Melancholy Sabatons
Bladebearer's Signet
Sif's Promise
Figid Strength of Hodir*
Drape of the Darkrider (its highly doubtful that the Stylish Power Cape will go into 3.1 with 60+ ArP. I believe the stats were already changed.)
Bandit's Insignia
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Voldrethar, Darkblade of Oblivion*

Edit: * = 27 str JC only gem, if your sim includes those gems.

Using everything above besides the Bandit's Insignia (what were you thinking!? ):

Blood 51/2/18 = 6323

At first it looked like it was going to be a larger loss than it 'is'.

It's a good list of alternatives though! Some of those 239 ILevel items wont be seen by most.

Methods, could you please run your sim with 0/10/61 using your proposed BiS gear? Thank you.

I'm at risk of becoming a 'Theroycraft ATM'...

This will be my last 'request' reply unless I am specifically compelled otherwise.

0/45/26 Frost with Ghoul, FS, and OB = 6037 DPS
T7 BiS Listed before

This is lower than Blood and Unholy obviously but it is on par with 17+/51+/2+ (a lot higher than I expected but 100% ghoul helps a lot as well as the extra 5 RP from dirge)


0/10/61 Unholy with Ghoul, SS, Dark Death = 6510 DPS
T7 BiS Listed before

I wouldn't jump the gun and say 0/10/61 is better than 12/0/59 considering my previous test insisted on 2 morbidity out of my own personal preference. That means that if you don't particularly care for Morbidity you could get more dps out of 12/0/59 by maxing out BCB. It's too close to care IMO.

Your work is appreciated.

The point I was raising was simply that, if we're comparing/ranking specs, it makes sense to use gear appropriate to that particular spec. The items you simmed with for Blood match what I've found to be probably BiS so far. I agree that Blood and Unholy are turning out to be surprisingly close in 3.1, which is nice to see.

@Lushen: The reason for Plated Leggings of Ruination > Clockwork Legplates is the sockets, though, and doubly so if you're a JC. Armor Pen > Haste, but it's the sum of stats on the item that make the difference. PLoR have 16 more strength, plus 3 sockets for 48 bonus str (32 more than Clockwork). If you're a JC, you can use 2 Dragon's Eyes for PLoR's 8 str socket bonus, which is generally superior to most available socket bonuses. It would also give the legs alone a total of 200 (!!) Str.