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02/16/09, 2:23 PM
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#26
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Sensibility over Extremity.
Draenei Death Knight
Shadowsong (EU)
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Not sure how you calculated the values and prioritization orders on the weapons, but they are wrong.
As is generally agreed, Threat generation on a weapon is a far better judgement value then Avoidance.
There is no way [Saliva Corroded Pike] is better then Titansteel destroyer? Lower Max damage, less hit, less strength and only slightly more stamina.
Please check before blindly posting.
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02/17/09, 6:58 PM
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#27
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Rogue
Wrathbringer (EU)
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And he clearly stated in the OP that threat is ignored in this list, so please first read before blindly posting.
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Relative stat values given by rawr (threat generation value has been ignored):
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02/18/09, 2:10 PM
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#28
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Banned
Orc Death Knight
Detheroc
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Originally Posted by sp00n
And he clearly stated in the OP that threat is ignored in this list, so please first read before blindly posting.
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I would like to know why threat generation is being ignored, it is a key factor to tanking and shouldn't ever be ignored.
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02/18/09, 2:38 PM
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#29
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Rogue
Wrathbringer (EU)
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Because this is a specific list for a specific purpose, namely reaching the most avoidance and crit immunity pre Nax.
People who tank with [Axe of Bloodstained Ice] and then wonder why they do not generate enough threat will find other ways to ruin their character anyway.
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02/18/09, 5:08 PM
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#30
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Sensibility over Extremity.
Draenei Death Knight
Shadowsong (EU)
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I did read, however, surely taking the avoidence of a 2H weapon is fully pointless. No one in their right mind would choose that order of weapons, with the possible exception of [Axe of Bloodstained Ice] if they are really really really lacking in defense.
Although labelled clearly, some common sense must prevail in making a "Pre-Raid DK Tank Gear" list.
Had the title been written as "Pre-Raid DK Avoidance and Crit Immunity at all costs Gear" list, I could understand, but in this current case, I cannot.
EDIT: Also, why the use of [Perfect Subtle Bloodstone] over [Subtle Scarlet Ruby] ?
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02/18/09, 5:44 PM
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#31
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King Hippo
Undead Warrior
Ravencrest
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Originally Posted by Unsubtle
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Because the recipe for that cut is not currently in the game.
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"A man's IQ, yearly income, sexual prowess, ingenuity, physical appearance and generally every other aspect of his character can be condensed down to four digits: his Arena rating." - Zechsy [70 Rogue - Skullcrusher (EU) - 10/23/2007]
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02/19/09, 4:22 AM
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#32
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Sensibility over Extremity.
Draenei Death Knight
Shadowsong (EU)
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I really need to read comments on Wowhead!
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03/13/09, 8:42 AM
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#35
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Wildhammer (EU)
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Originally Posted by Deathspear
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Very easily farmable. I 2-boxed it as a Frost tank/Resto shaman. Fourth time was the charm. Whenever the tank gets summoned, just heal through it. Healer being summoned just requires AoE spam to break him free, and maybe a quick instant heal if you fail to break it - on a 15k hp healer it was not an issue, as long as both chars are topped off.
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04/30/09, 11:32 AM
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#36
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Piston Honda
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the Blood Caked Stompers from the Argent Tournament are now deserving of a good spot on this list, clocking in at 29812.05 rating based on your ranking. Since they're a +34 defense item while also packing dodge and stamina, this makes them worse than the Wyrmrest boots if you're seriously needing more defense to become uncrittable. Once you are comfortably defense 'capped', however, these have better avoidance etc. and are pathetically easy to get considering they are ten champion seals and you can start tournament questing at 77.
While probably a bit outdated, this listing is much more useful than trying to get WoWhead to filter items you want every time you're looking for a pre-raid upgrade to what you have! The other AT pickings are kind of odd-ball, but I'll scrounge once I have better access at home and try to compile any useful values for this list.
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This is not the signature you're looking for. You are free to move along.
-Curse you, Raglu!
Generation 28:
The first time you see this, copy it into your signature on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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05/04/09, 2:18 PM
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#37
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Glass Joe
Tauren Hunter
Ghostlands (EU)
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I am currently leveling a frost tank and am close to hitting 80. I have a question about using [Sigil of the Unfaltering Knight]. Is it worth getting this Sigil when i will not be using Icy Touch in my rotation that much because of the new Howling Blast glyph? Or should i spend my Emblems on something else?
Also i am wondering if i should use Icy touch on a Boss fight instead of Howling Blast? I know Howling Blast takes the extra rune but would using Icy Touch be a loss in TPS?
This was a reply i post in another thread but i got no answer on it, so i am wondering for this pre-raid gear list is it worth getting any more? for a frost tank anyway.
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05/15/09, 3:09 PM
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#38
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Von Kaiser
Undead Death Knight
Malygos
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Originally Posted by Wolfetones
I am currently leveling a frost tank and am close to hitting 80. I have a question about using [Sigil of the Unfaltering Knight]. Is it worth getting this Sigil when i will not be using Icy Touch in my rotation that much because of the new Howling Blast glyph? Or should i spend my Emblems on something else?
Also i am wondering if i should use Icy touch on a Boss fight instead of Howling Blast? I know Howling Blast takes the extra rune but would using Icy Touch be a loss in TPS?
This was a reply i post in another thread but i got no answer on it, so i am wondering for this pre-raid gear list is it worth getting any more? for a frost tank anyway.
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IMHO:
The Sigil gives you a +Def buff that lasts 30 secs. I'd say drop IT to open, and once every 30 sec thereafter won't hurt your overall TPS very much. You could still keep HB in your rotation otherwise. The def is a nice way to round out your so you can gem/gear for other things until a Raid-level sigil drops as you progress. Those other choices will help balance out your TPS and/or Avoidance and should make up for the difference.
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05/15/09, 3:47 PM
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#39
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Death Knight
Frostwhisper (EU)
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Originally Posted by Wolfetones
Also i am wondering if i should use Icy touch on a Boss fight instead of Howling Blast? I know Howling Blast takes the extra rune but would using Icy Touch be a loss in TPS?
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If you use Blood Tap as you begin you can keep a steady HB > OB > IT > BS through most of the fight, replacing one of your blood strikes with icy touch. If you get rime procs use it whenever you have a gap and replace the HB in the rotation with another OB until it comes round again.
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06/05/09, 7:02 AM
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#40
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Glass Joe
Draenei Hunter
Thunderlord
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I like to add one suggestion.
Unsmashable Heavy Band that drops off Ingvar the Plunderer in H UK. Easily enough obtained from in my opinion the easiest herioc
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06/05/09, 8:05 AM
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#41
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Death Knight
Kel'Thuzad
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Wow my browser totally replied to the wrong post (I have multiple EJ windows open). I apologize and Mod please delete this.
Last edited by Paratrooper1508 : 06/05/09 at 4:59 PM.
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06/05/09, 6:36 PM
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#42
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Lanaari
I like to add one suggestion.
Unsmashable Heavy Band that drops off Ingvar the Plunderer in H UK. Easily enough obtained from in my opinion the easiest herioc
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Clocks in at 5941.62 stat weight according to OP, putting it above non-epics except for Woeful Band, so it probably could use a spot. Shield block may be bad itemization, but it's 30 defense and better than most ilvl 187s
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This is not the signature you're looking for. You are free to move along.
-Curse you, Raglu!
Generation 28:
The first time you see this, copy it into your signature on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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06/12/09, 3:58 AM
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#43
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Glass Joe
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While it's only level 68, [Adamantine Figurine] is a great starting trinket because of the defense (which is sometimes hard to find on trinkets) and the ease of getting it, and the proc is not bad, either. It's obtained from Blackheart in Normal or Heroic Shadow Labyrinth, who is easily soloable with an 80 Death Knight (just be sure to clear his room first).
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06/15/09, 3:11 PM
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#45
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Zenedar (EU)
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06/15/09, 5:17 PM
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#46
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Schintus
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A decent enough item, with comprable defense to Tempered Saronite while having better threat stats, but unless you are comfortably def capped this is rather like the AT boots...better overall, but you have to have the defense from other areas.
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This is not the signature you're looking for. You are free to move along.
-Curse you, Raglu!
Generation 28:
The first time you see this, copy it into your signature on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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09/01/09, 1:17 PM
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#50
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by jhneoh
Epic pre-raid gear, updated to 3.2 (not including Emblem of Triumph gear)
Sorted by ilvl (descending). Where ilvls are the same, its sorted by eyeballing.
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Again, thank you for the 3.2 update! You're saving me a ton of work here on my new DK! It was kind of a rough time to hit 80 and need information, really. You guys are making it much easier.
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