• Darkside

Since Onaicul hasn’t updated the other thread for a week, I’ve decided to remake it here. The idea is the same: we’re trying to experimentally determine which Death Knight spec+gear combination can deal the most DPS. To do this, I’m going to ask you (the community) to submit your highest DPS parses so they can be collected an displayed here. For consistencies sake, I’m only going to publish parses from Patchwerk and Sarth25+3. Patchwerk because he is the king of all single target DPS fights, a made race from start to finish that lets you push your character to his maximum potential. Sarth25+3 because the fight incorporates essentially all elements of raiding: single target dps (drakes and Sarth), AoE (the welps/blazes) and mobility (dodging waves and void zones). Furthermore, the fight is much longer than your average fight, usually taking over 6 minutes to complete, forcing smart management of cooldowns and preventing things from getting blown out of proportion by absurdly high raid DPS, as is often the case with Patchwerk.

When submitting an entry for consideration, please provide the following information:
DPS – your overall damage per second
Fight Time - The duration of the fight
Boss – which boss you fought
Spec – your spec for the fight. A wowhead link to this spec would be appreciated, in case you change your armory profile.
Weapons/Sigils/Runeforges/Glyphs– What gear/enchants you used.
Consumables – Did you use pet food, strength elixir, flask etc.
Link to a DPS parse
Additional notes – Anything else you think is pertinent to the discussion

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE THREAD FROM BEING CLOGGED, PLEASE SEND YOUR DATA TO ME AS A PM.

I should be able to update this thread on a schedule such that it is never more than 24 hours behind the current data. If you have any comments or suggestions about the formating of the DPS records shown here, please post and let me know.

25m Patchwerk

01:30 - 02:00

DPS	Actual DPS	Time	Character	Spec	MH Weapon	OH Weapon	Runeforges	Sigil	Glyphs	Consumables	Notes	Links
7317	7651	1:53	Зтнсан	0/35/36 DW	Last Laugh	Widow's Fury	Fallen Crusader / Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	Icy Touch / Plague Strike / Ghoul	(?)	Tricks of the Trades from rogues	WoWMeter
6906	7255	1:36	Teq	51/0/20 (Diseaseless)	Betrayer of Humanity	n/a	Fallen Crusader	Awareness	(?)	Flask of Endless Rage / Food Buff	Self Hysteria	WoWMeter

02:00 - 02:30

DPS	Actual DPS	Time	Character	Spec	MH Weapon	OH Weapon	Runeforges	Sigil	Glyphs	Consumables	Notes	Links
6587	n/a	2:19	Flail	0/32/39 DW	Hatestrike	Hatestrike	Fallen Crusader / Cinderglacier	Frozen Conscience	cy Touch / Plague Strike / Ghoul	Flask of Endless Rage 40str Food / Speed Potion	Using Cancelaura Macro	WWS/ Recount
6506	6785	2:20	Wunju	0/33/38	Angry Dread	Widow's Fury	Fallen Crusader / Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	cy Touch / Bone Armor / Ghoul	Used food / Pet food / Flask / Speed potion	Speed potion on AOTD before engage.	WoWMeter
6054	6370	2:30	Imta	21/50/0 with DRM ITx6	Betrayer of Humanity		Razorice	Frozen Conscience	Icy Touch / Frost Strike / Obliterate	Didn't use AotD.		WoWMeter

02:30 - 03:00

DPS	Actual DPS	Time	Character	Spec	MH Weapon	OH Weapon	Runeforges	Sigil	Glyphs	Consumables	Notes	Links
6493	n/a	2:54	Tatzu	0/31/40	Last Laugh	Hailstorm	Fallen Crusader / Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	Icy Touch / Ghoul / Bone Armor	Strength Elixir / Food Buff / Pet food buff	Army of the Dead on pull	Recount SS
6430	n/a	2:40	Jûney	32/39	Split Greathammer	Widow's Fury	Fallen Crusader / Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	Ghoul / Icy Touch / Blood Boil	Great Feast	Didn't use Army of the Dead	WWS
6329	n/a	2:47	Toadycent	0/38/39	Hailstorm	Hailstorm	Fallen Crusader / Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	Icy Touch / Bone Armor / Ghoul	Flask of endless rage / Pet buff / 40 str food buff	Unholy Presence	RecountSS
6093	n/a	2:43	Alghazanth	51/0/20	The Jawbone		Fallen Crusader	Awareness	Obliterate / Ghoul / Blood Strike	Flask of Endless Rage / Dragonfin Fillet (40 str)	AotD on pull	WWS
6059	6539	2:53	Boldin	51/0/20	Cryptfiends Bite		Fallen Crusader	Awareness	Obliterate / Ghoul / Blood Strike	Endless Rage Flask / Fish Feast	m/a	WoWMeter

03:00+

DPS	Actual DPS	Time	Character	Spec	MH Weapon	OH Weapon	Runeforges	Sigil	Glyphs	Consumables	Notes	Links
6016	6186	3:16	Vozd	17/0/54	Titansteel Destroyer		Fallen Crusader	Awareness	(?)	Flask of Endless Rage / Strength Food / Pet Food / Speed Potion	AotD on the pull / 23s of Tricks of the Trade	WoWMeter

25m Sarth+3

DPS	Actual DPS	Time	Character	Spec	MH Weapon	OH Weapon	Runeforges	Sigil	Glyphs	Consumables	Notes	Links
5292		6:28	Avenge	17/0/54	Betrayer of Humanity		Fallen Crusader	Awareness	DnD / Ghoul / Scourge Strike	Flask of Endless Rage		WWS
4676	4786	6:07	Bigfoonk	17/0/54	Armageddon		Fallen Crusader	Athrictic Binding	Icy Touch / Bone Armor / SS	Flask of Relentless Assault / 60 AP food	n/a	WoWMeter
3986	4200	7:38		21/50/0	Betrayer of Humanity		Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	(?)	No elixir / flask / food / pot	Using priority system in UP - tanked Acolytes in the portal	Wowmeter
3954	4014	7:40	Kroot	0/34/37	Widow's Fury	Hailstorm	Fallen Crusader / Fallen Crusader	Frozen Conscience	Bone Armor / Ghoul / Icy Touch	Flask of Endless Rage / Fish Feast	AotD late in the fight	DejaWow

EDITS
1) Added DPS time.
2) Added request for PMs.
3) Divided the reports into time categories. I will be tracking the top three five parses in each bracket.
4) Converted display to table format.

<XI|> if your dog barks do you debate the philosophical reason behind him barking
<XI|> no
<XI|> you say shut up idiot

 

Travaggie

One thing I would add to your format for posting there is boss kill time. That plays a huge part in the dps on the fight, and would allow us to get a very clear idea of the comparative DPS without having to click the links unless we wanted to break down the specifics.

 

huntcaudata

If the goal is actually to determine which spec is dealing the best dps, I would suggest 2 things. 1) A list, 10 best dps performances, with the spec, and perhaps a link to the detailed information about those performances. And 2) Organize the detailed listings by spec, so that within each spec, one can easily see the various performances with their differences in fight time/buff availability, etc.

 

zagor

DPS - 6186
Boss - Patchwerk 25men
Combat time - 3:16
wowmeteronline parse
unholy 17-0-54
Gear - Titansteel Destroyer, Heigan sigil, 4t7
Consumables - flask, 40str food, pet food.
Used AotD on the pull from unholy presence with speed pot, gargoyle with trinket procs and speed pot.
I had 23seconds of Tricks of the trade.

 

• Darkside

I could potentially create a listing here with links offsite somewhere, but I'm not sure where I'd link to. I have a small webserver, but I doubt it could handle the type of traffic this site would generate. In the mean time, I think it's probably best if we stick to collecting data from these two fights, as it seems to me to be the most efficient way of reaching an overall consensus.

<XI|> if your dog barks do you debate the philosophical reason behind him barking
<XI|> no
<XI|> you say shut up idiot

 

ztn

Darkside - you miss http://elitistjerks.com/1083079-post182.html - better dps and w/o hysteria.

 

◊ Eej

Actually I think a better way to organize the listing would be to group entries by PW Kill Time.

i.e.

2:30-2:40

#1
#2
#3

2:40-2:50

#1
#2
#3

That's just me, though.

 

huntcaudata

What I mean is an easily readable list:
1) 6000 dps, 50/0/21
2 5985 dps, 0/32/39
etc.

With each linking to the more detailed information below in this (or the other) thread. Splitting them by kill time doesn't make a lot more sense than splitting them by number of Hysteria's gained, whether AotD was used, etc. Have one list, that we all know is subject to limitations, that provides a quick look at what the best dps has been. Then expect that people will follow the links to see the differences between buffs, rotation details, mistakes made, and phase of the moon.

 

Onaicul

Yea... i'm sorry for not keeping it updated school has been rough this past week, no free time for entertainment unfortunately, too many exams.
I will however get you started with a 3drake parse since I see you have an allocated space for it.

3drakes
DW 32/39
LL/HS with FC/RI
IT sigil, fish feast for food (80AP) and endless rage
AotD was used on shadron, think I went through at least 3 ghouls b/c of flame waves, gargoyle was used as early and as often as possible using speed potions and switching into UP.

 

• Darkside

Your Sarth report shows only one drake for the fight. Wow Web Stats

<XI|> if your dog barks do you debate the philosophical reason behind him barking
<XI|> no
<XI|> you say shut up idiot

 

Onaicul

I did not notice that... I'll have one for you on tuesday. I'll make sure I'm running wowmeter alongside the regular raider that uses wws.

 

foonkinator

25M Sarth+3D
DPS – 4676 , Act. DPS : 4786
DPS Time -06:07 ( 98% )
Characer - Bigfoonk
Spec – 17/0/54 Unholy
Weapon(s) – Armageddon
Runeforges – Fallen Crusader
Sigil – Atrictic Binding
Glyphs – Icy Touch, Bone Armor, SS
Consumables – Rent Assault / 60 AP food
Notes – Spread Aids and Win!!
Links: WoW Meter Online - Love???What is love?
The World of Warcraft Armory

 

MikeMo

Agreed. A lot of these high DPS parses has a lot less to do with player skill, spec and gear than it does with the fact that the kill time was so low. They provide unrealistic numbers for people and could change what is perceived as the best spec/gear.

I want to look at PW parses that have at least 5 healers and 3 tanks. I don't want to see parses from guilds who are crazy and do PW and wipe over and over with 2 tanks/2healers or similar.

 

cruisi

WWS Bug. Our WWS shows only Vesperon, too; but we did 3!

 

Garkbit

So what is the consensus so far? People are posting lots of different specs doing DPS around 6K but I'm trying to figure out which one is considered the best at the moment. I know that some kind of 32/39 DW variant was best a while back but have things changed? It seems like things are different now.

 

grumpig

If you had read the topics in this forum, you'd know that there is currently no consensus.

Anyway, would it be worthwhile to ask people to include significant raid buffs in their entries?

 

Goetterdaemmerung

One of the largest virtues of this thread is to demonstrate to everyone that spec X, which they had thought was not raid viable, is in fact capable of competitive numbers -- directly increasing how much fun the game is for them, by opening gameplay possibilities that had been closed by false assumptions.

 

Cabal

Id suggest you remove any sartharion fights, they are simply useless to compare dps between specs. Just way too many variables involved, not to mention AOE possibilities (all it takes is tapping pestilence while near 10+ adds, there goes any dps comparison).

 

Megaera

What about non-crazy guilds that simply run the instance that way? Stacked raids will certainly skew kill times and cooldown uptime, but cutting out results from top guilds also means (in theory) cutting out parses of high-skill players, which are the most informative sort. I'd much rather read "here's my parse, I did everything according to theory...look at this unforeseen thing that happened! revise theory?" than "I was in UH pres for the first 15 seconds because I didn't notice, so add 200 DPS, and I fatfingered AotD on the last trash before the fight, sorry!"

I think the best approach is to include all the data, and then let readers intelligently weight things however suits their purposes.

 

• Darkside

Actually that is the very reason I have chosen to include Sartharion. As well, being the hardest fight in the game at the moment (and the only one where maximizing DPS really matters) it lets newer DK's see what the best spec might be if they are looking to help their raid better master fight.

I like the idea of splitting the Chart into timeslots, to better determine which specs are being artificially inflated and which aren't. However, I think 10s intervals might be too small, perhaps something like 30s would work better?

<XI|> if your dog barks do you debate the philosophical reason behind him barking
<XI|> no
<XI|> you say shut up idiot

 

diospadre

Not really, these are all taken from 25m raids, so you are expected to have every buff.

 

Goetterdaemmerung

He probably means someone-else's-hysteria/tott.

 

• Darkside

These are already being included in the notes section of the entries, provided I get the information.

<XI|> if your dog barks do you debate the philosophical reason behind him barking
<XI|> no
<XI|> you say shut up idiot

 

grumpig

Everyone doesn't always have the same raid composition, though. Still might be worthwhile.

 

mcloud777

Wow Web Stats

DPS 3579
Spec 51/0/20
Consumables: Flask of Endless Rage, Fish Feast Food + all raid buffs
Glyphs: Vamp, Oblit, Ghoul
Sigil: Awareness
Hysteria: On self