• Darkside

In the case of this thread, it is assumed that everyone will have all the standard raid buffs. If you are unsure about what the buffs are, and/or who provides them, you can find a listing here.

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Jmack

Wow Web Stats

WoWScrnShot_020409_211913.jpg picture by xtremerz - Photobucket

Including army of the dead, 6828DPS

Betrayer of Humanity, Sigil of Awareness, 51/0/20 Diseaseless

Glyphs: Blood Strike Obliterate Ghoul

No specials buffs like Tricks of the Trade or extra Hysteria's or anything.

Time 2:35

 

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Just for reference, practically a worst case scenario:

DPS – 6430
Fight Time - 2:40
Boss – Patchwerk
Spec – 32/39
Weapons/Sigils/Runeforges/Glyphs– Split Greathammer/Widow's Fury/IT Sigil/Dual FC/IT, Ghoul and BB glyphs (BB for PvP)
Consumables – IIRC we had a Great Feast, nothing else
Wow Web Stats
Additional notes – Didn't use Army of the Dead and no other pushes like TotT either - probably going to get a max DPS parse as soon as we got Immortal

 

xellos

Edit: Didn't read. Please delete.

 

Aisuken

DPS - 5105
DPS Time - 3:57
Character - Aisuken
Boss - 25m Patchwerk
Spec - 0/38/40
Weapons - Silent Crusader (Fallen Crusader) / Widow's Fury (Razorice)
Sigil - Sigil of Frozen Conscience
Glyphs - Icy Touch, Ghoul, Plague Strike
Consumables - Flask of Endless Rage, food buff + pet food, +30 haste valentines chocolate
Links - No parses sadly.. Recount SS
Notes - BB used instead of BS, non-optimal raid setup (no abom's might/unleashed rage)

It may be worth noting, we don't reliably have Misery/imp FF (or any buff for that matter), so I gear for 14% hit.

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Do you really think Sarth+3 is a reasonable fight to compare? There are so many random factors like strategy, setup, duration per drake, amount of heroisms, time of heroisms, void zones, waves, etc. involved.

 

Verne

I think Sartharion and three drakes is the PERFECT comparison because it is a fight where everything raiding is about comes together. You have multiple tanking targets, AoE, maximum DPS, movements, environmental awareness and so on. Raiding is not about killing Patchwerk as fast as possible, there is way way more to it and Sartharion with his three little friends has that.

 

Shankublud

Totally disagree, it's such a bad fight to measure DPS. Whoever goes on the adds first gets top despite if there doing there job correctly I know people in my guild who go on adds as soon as they spawn when we are specifically instructed to make sure Tenebron is dead so the AoE tanks can get aggro and he doesn't hatch again. Not to mention Blood DKs can cleave adds and Frost DKs can Howling blast them. Patchwerk is pretty much the only way to measure DPS because you just stand and nuke, but then there are still people who wipe it 9 times for Epeen so pretty much there will be no real way of testing and recording DPS effectively. Just a general rule of faster you kill it more DPS you get.

 

• Zurm

Your arguement about people doing their jobs correctly or not is a moot point. People will always do things to cheese the fight so they can get the biggest DPS numbers and inflate their epeen. Look at the DK who got Hysteria and tricks and got 7.6k DPS... do you think those were the best uses of cooldowns? Hysteria on someone who does <30% physical damage and tricks on a pet class makes no sense, but it was done anyway.

And unholy DK complaining about BLOOD AOE is almost as laughable as one that assumes frost has better AoE. DND + PS + IT + Pestilence will do more AOE damage than any other class can do on those adds, and since the damage is more gradual, you're less likely to pull off the adds tank and get gibbed than say a mage or frost DK.

I fully with Verne to a point. Patchwerk is the exception, rather than the rule. I think you'll see a lot more Sarth-esq fights come Ulduar (Blizz did say they were going to introduce more fights with "hard" modes, and I can't imagine how they could implement those other than more mini-bosses with special abilities/effects). However, there is RNG involved, and you can potential get screwed. If lava waves switch directions each time, or correlate poorly with portal spawns, then yea, you might not have a lot of DPS time. IMO, it's still a better measure than patchwerk, which is more of a function of how fast your raid can kill the boss. At that point, your DPS is pure RNG; I've seen parses of people breaking 6k dps in far from ideal gear because RNG bumped up their crit 10-15% higher than it should have been even with raid buffs.

Yes, there is RNG. But all of the hardest fights in WoW have had a fairly high degree of RNG, and what made them challenging was balancing the odds so that your tank/raid wouldn't get one shot 10 seconds into the fight.

 

• Darkside

Patchwerk is the best way to measure single target DPS, however, single target DPS doesn't currently matter in the current content. The only truly difficult fight is Sarth25+3, so it makes sense to measure the DPS of that fight, in order to help people currently struggling with it to better themselves.

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Mindaika

I think the best stance would be to assume all standard raid buffs are present, and denote parses in which some buff was missing (and which buff).

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• Darkside

All right, I'm going through and converting the data to a table format. If you've sent me data and it hasn't been posted, that's why.

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Goetterdaemmerung

When sorting by DPS: WWS reports "actual dps", as does recount. You can get the WMO-style DPS by manually calculating total damage/total time. They can differ by 100-400 dps, and I'm not convinced the WMO-style DPS is meaningful for patchwerk -- it basically reflects how quickly behind the tanks you began your rotation.

 

• Darkside

I think the WMO "actual" dps is the total damage done divided by the time spent attacking (presence). I've included it just as an interesting bit of information, but I'm sorting the fight rankings based on the total damage done divided by the length of the fight (DPS, on the tables above).

[E]: I just realized that all the links broke in the transition to tables. I'll fix that tomorrow.

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Blacksteel

Patchwerk 3min 58secs: 5527dps
Diseaseless blood 51/0/20
OBx2 HSx2 rotation
Betrayer of Humanity but no sigil of awareness(sigil of dark rider)
Glyphs used were DnD/OB/BS
flask and food buff but no haste potion used
AotD and ghoul during pull
No tricks
Unfortunately no wws or wowmeter, just a ss of recount:

 

FriedCherry

Links don't work in the OP post. Fix please?

 

• Darkside

I know all about this, they broke when I moved the display to tables. I have all the links saved in an excel file, and plan to reupload them tonight after I take an exam.

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Crazybones

DPS: 5859, recount.
Crazysoul
Spec: DW 32/39 Angry dead (FC) slow - Hatestrike (cinder) fast
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DPS time: 2'48"

Buffs: 80 AP food, pet buffed aswell, Flask. NO haste potion. AotD at the pull.
BL used late then pat died before BL/heroics expires. No optimal raid, no shaman enhacement.

NOTE: just remove this post i will pm it as autor said

 

• Darkside

I've successfully relinked all the DPS parses in the original post. I'm working on updating it with todays new information right now.

Should be all updated. In the future, I would appreciate if people would refrain from sending me parses if they don't place in the top five for a given category. Also, if I've accidentally missed an entry, please don't refrain from harassing me till I update the sheet.

[e]: Just noticed that all the character links are broken. I'll work on fixing those tomorrow.

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• sordee

Random aside on choice of fights, etc. (re: PAtch vs Sart)

Anyone think Saphiron would be a good dps test.

Yes it has no modeling of AOE considerations, but it does have a clear 20% downtime/movement for DPS. Although it will severely affect Blood spec, as Unholy Dots and Frost-IT can keep going a little longer.

 

Blacksteel

Sapphiron would be a poor choice as he has innate frost resist which hampers heavily frost dmg based specs.

 

Hirfiend

Another good use to determine DPS would be Razuvious, i myself use Razuvious since I have to tank for Patchwerk and Sartharion+3D. The only raid damage debuff you might lose is 3% spell hit chance if your Shadow Priest is Mind Controlling.

 

Goetterdaemmerung

Be sure to recalculate DPS to remove damage done to students.

 

• Darkside

Like Goetterdaemmerung said, the debuff from the adds at the end makes the fight too erratic to gauge correctly. For the time being, we'll probably just stick to Patchwerk and Sarth+3.

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Dark-Juggernaut

The reason Patchwerk is used is because most players come here looking for the best spec, and patchwerk requires the least skill, so your raw spec/rotation/gear is what's on display.