With HB OB BS BS FS FS > OB FS OB FS OB FS, there's nothing you can really do wrong... either you're missing, not doing this exact rotation, or delaying your hits for some reason.

As long as you FS at the end of the first half and weave them in the second, you shouldn't have any waiting.

If KM isnt proccing, I'll sometimes OB OB FS OB FS FS to wait for the proc.

I do it in UP, because with all the RP i have BP doesn't give me enough time to use all my FS.

I've never had that problem in BP. Using 1 extra GCD (extra FS somewhere) in BP isn't worth going into UP. You'll never use more than 6 FS in a rotation unless you're saving up RP and have RPM.

Unless, of course, you have latency issues.

Finally got some quality time dpsing instead of tanking in Ulduar last night, here are some highlights:

Parse

XT - 6417 dps
Kologarn - 6109 dps
Auriaya - 5214 dps
Freya - 5488 dps
Hodir - 10,272 dps

This is with BP HB solo disease priority, Fallen Crusader, BoH, Awareness Sigil (DAMN YOU XT)

A week or so ago I was sitting ~5.5% hit and ~20 expertise unbuffed and I noticed that a good portion of the time my BP rotation would get wrenches thrown into it, so I preferred the IT/PS UP rotation. If there was a way to work in HB glyph and still have it be effective in UP I would, but sadly the only fight sofar that I've been able to top meters on while using HB rotation in UP was Yogg-Saron attempts (and the only fight where I consider it to be 100% necessary). Now that I'm at 7.26 or so hit unbuffed my rotation is much cleaner.

I do find that if I am inundated with Rime procs and extra RP from AMS soak I delay the use of my blood runes like some posters have suggested in this thread and that gets me back on track nicely. I see this as being especially important once you have the new sigil that makes FS even more amazing than it already is.

For me at this point in time 1 disease HB BP > 2 disease IT/PS UP simply because the HB glyph is so amazing.

It's true that at first when you're using the HB BP rotation it feels like you do not have enough time to dump all your RP (and this is definitely true if you get extra RP from AMS soaks or whatnot), but with practice and low latency you can expend it well enough. In UP you just have way too much dead time using HB glyph instead of IT, but of course there are exceptions to the rule.

My suggestion is to run a couple 10+ minute long tests as either glyph setup and see where your DPS is at. I originally was a huge fan of UP IT/PS, and still would prefer UP for the run speed and GCD if it outdid my HB BP, but sofar the latter has been working out better for me.

Hey,
I've been Blood since I started raiding, and I picked up the Frost Strike sigil last night and was playing around with this said rotation. I have 4 piece T7.5 and Im finding that I can dump at least twice as many Frost Strikes in a rotation as you have suggested?Or are we trying to Howling Blast again before the Frost Fever falls off due to the glyph not applying it until after the attack?

I find it VERY hard to believe you can Frost Strike at least 10 times in a rotation. Please provide proof for how this is possibly possible.

I meant like as one FS is listed, I can dump RP, so when FS is listed in the rotation set is it a dump or simply one FS?

-Edit, i was following another rotation where there was not two FS after the two BS, causing my rotation to be lacky and the opportunity to dump 2 FS's at the end of a rotation. Nvm im a noob.

1 - 13/51/7 - I find with 17/51/3 that I have to use non-Rime HB a lot to keep the disease from falling off.

2 - It depends on the state of my runes....say Rime just proc'd and I have enough RP for 3 FS and my runes are still ~5-6 seconds away I will dump a couple FS and use Rime before I OB. This maximizes the uptime of FF. However, obviously if your runes are up and you can OB you use Rime before the OB so that you don't potentially waste a Rime proc.

3 - Yes, I always refresh FF with HB *unless* my HB misses and my disease is about to fall off. In that case I use IT/PS - thats why you see those spells in some of the fights. My HB miss rate is usually quite low however.

4 - Yes, and No. Yes it's easy because you're constantly using FU abilities and consuming your runes relatively quickly. No because if you get a lot of Rime procs you get clogged on GCDs and at this point you have to rely on your priority system (like I said before, if it gets really bad for w/e reason just ignore your blood runes and dump with FS until you're back in the swing of things.)

I use 17/51/3 and make sure I am spell hit capped (sometimes I accidentally would HB before the SPriest or Boomkin and would be forced to IT/PS at the beginning). To me if you are going to run the HB rotation then being spell hit capped is very important. Also, because HB (and BS as well, however BS has hidden increase in dmg from making Death Runes) is the lowest damage you do on a GCD (except in AoE situations, outside of that OB and FS do much more damage), you don't really want to cast it unless FF is falling off or Rime is about to fall off.

I like the Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft 17/51/3 diseaseless rotation (except for HB glyph.) it appeals to my own personal playstyle.

Two questions for this set up.

1. Razorice or crusader? pros/cons and is it just up in the air atm or is one proven so far to be the hands down winner?

2. More of a personal question that I have not done any math on. I usually tank. so Ive got a betrayer of humanity atm with gargoyle on it. and a Death's bite with crusader. Which would win out on DPS. how big is the enchant vs the dps? Anyone know or have any idea because Id just be guessing.

BTW, I would like to motion that we start a new thread or get a new OP.

Frost 4 life

This is true. Especially because when you kill arms on Kologarn it damages the boss by their health amount. In essence, anything you do on that fight that hits 2 targets is going to be doing double damage to the boss.