Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 22

Alexnick · 08/15/09, 5:40 PM

I just run a simulation with the new version, which now shows hit/crit/miss percentages with 1 decimal digit and I noticed something strange. With 236 hit rating and Nerves of Cold Steel, I get around 0.6 to 0.7% chance to miss on my special melee strikes (but I shouldn't miss at all). Did something change in the latest version and the increased chance to hit from the talent is not taken into account? I haven't observed something like that in past versions of the simulator, although that could well have to do with decimal digits not showing in the report.

Ability	Total	%	Landed	Hit%	Crit%	Miss%	Average
Obliterate	3354944256	25,4	337518	39,6	59,7	0,7	9940
Frost Strike	3006094445	22,7	370519	50,1	49,2	0,6	8113,2
Main Hand	1837499519	13,9	746714	49,5	33,1	17,4	2460,8
Off Hand	1061423948	8	777483	49,5	33,1	17,5	1365,2
Blood Strike	718543193	5,4	165060	54,4	45	0,6	4353,2
Howling Blast	609692101	4,6	63750	22	76	1,9	9563,8
Necrosis	579886509	4,4	1524197	100	0	0	380,5
Frost Fever	528764368	4	556281	100	0	0	950,5
Blood Plague	479182131	3,6	555842	100	0	0	862,1
Icy Touch	319852378	2,4	85792	48,7	49,3	2	3728,2
Plague Strike	248028681	1,9	85807	57,4	41,9	0,7	2890,5
Blood Caked Blade	244956372	1,9	303792	99,4	0	0,6	806,3
Ghoul	237647461	1,8	333889	85,7	12,9	1,4	711,8
Raz	7774830	0,1	777483	100	0	0	10
Horn	0	0	22484	0	0	0	0
DPS	7352
Total Damage	13234,29m in 500h
Threat Per Second	4365
Generated in 274s
Template:	Frost 3-51-17 IIT
Priority:	Frost
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader / Razorice
Pet Calculation:	True

Consider · 08/15/09, 5:47 PM

"Miss %" includes dodges/parries, so if you aren't expertise soft-capped in your dps gear, that's most likely the culprit, not any fault in the simulation.

Edit: Nevermind. Now that you are logged out in your dps gear, it's easy to see that you are, indeed, expertise soft capped, so my guess would be incorrect ^^

GravityDK · 08/15/09, 6:50 PM

Next possible bug?
I get negative EP values on this simulation of an Unholy Oblit tank spec. This is the rotation file, I used existing Priority file, and this spec.

Results below:

EP:50 | AttackPower | 100 
EP:50 | Strength | 214 
EP:50 | Agility | 37 
EP:50 | CritRating | -126 
EP:50 | HasteRating | 362 
EP:50 | ArmorPenetrationRating | 192 
EP:50 | ExpertiseRating | -356 
EP:50 | HitRating | -238 
EP:50 | SpellHitRating | -593 
EP:10 | WeaponDPS | 851 
EP:0.1 | WeaponSpeed | -74075 
EP: | 2T7 | 8148 
EP: | 4T7 | 4444 
EP: | 2T8 | 3333 
EP: | 4T8 | 13703 
EP: | 2T9 | 7407 
EP: | 4T9 | 27777 
| Template | Unholy oblit tank 
| Priority | Unholy Oblit 
| Presence | Frost  
| Sigil | Awareness  
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader 
| Pet Calculation | True

Related question, if I have both a Priority and a Rotation defined, which does the Simulator use?

leladax · 08/15/09, 7:09 PM

This Simulator can be accompanied nicely by an in-game addon: Taking as input EP values derived by it and making listed and overall stats for gear, gems, enchants, bufs.

dr_AllCOM3 · 08/15/09, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by GravityDK

Related question, if I have both a Priority and a Rotation defined, which does the Simulator use?

The one that isn't greyed out.

If you use a custom character and rotation, I'm going to blame them. Add Frost Presence to that. I have never tested the sim for tanks/tps.

Niightblade · 08/16/09, 1:50 AM

I assume trinkets other than Grim Toll and Mjolnir Runestone aren't yet implemented?

Afabar · 08/16/09, 5:14 AM

Originally Posted by Niightblade

I assume trinkets other than Grim Toll and Mjolnir Runestone aren't yet implemented?

No, Doc has already implemented them. I'm currently working on adding another trinkets.

Alyse · 08/16/09, 5:59 AM

Just a quick note with regards to the simulator, anytime I edit some sort of file (character, spec, rotation) and save/import it, I get an error when I try to begin a simulation. A simple exiting of the program and starting it again resolves the problem, but I figure it might be something you'll want to fix in a later version.

Here's the error message if it's of any help.

************* Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at DKSIMVB.MainForm.LoadBeforeSim()
at DKSIMVB.MainForm.Button1Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Infamouse · 08/16/09, 8:08 AM

When I run the simulator for my frost DW 0/54/17 spec with glypg of Disease the simulator seems not to use Pestilence to reapply diseases but just does it-ps. I use the standard frost priority with out a general rotation. what do i need to change for the sim to start using pest to reapply diseases.

GravityDK · 08/16/09, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Infamouse

When I run the simulator for my frost DW 0/54/17 spec with glypg of Disease the simulator seems not to use Pestilence to reapply diseases but just does it-ps. I use the standard frost priority with out a general rotation. what do i need to change for the sim to start using pest to reapply diseases.

I think you specify a priority and not a rotation (leave one blank).

Afabar · 08/16/09, 2:55 PM

1.0.3 Release notes
* Proc Trinket implementation
* Better glyph of disease support

Test need to be done on trinkets support, but I think the hard work is done.
The GoDisease seems to me close to be finalize.

Mind · 08/16/09, 6:15 PM

I've developed a wow addon that provides char details like your simulator needs.

DKSimulatorStats

Fully automatic, but not very intensive testing.
Removes any strength and armor bonus from your current talents.
Just equip your gear, remove any buffs and type /dksim. Copy & paste on the simulator.

Enjoy!

leladax · 08/16/09, 7:50 PM

^ It works accurately for the latest version of the simulator for me.

Amrasellion · 08/17/09, 4:03 AM

Originally Posted by Consider

=p.

Gear used was my own (226 hit rating, 131 expertise). Spec used was 3/13/55. Hours were first 1000, then 2000. Latency was 150. Everything else was default/shown below (Presence - Blood, etc).

It may be that it undervalues hit compared to expertise because you're so close to the hit cap (4 hit rating low). Without being completely sure I believe the simulator calculates the EP by first running a simulation with your current stats (the dry run) and then it raises 1 skill at a time by a certain amount and runs the simulation again and checks the difference to see how effective it is to raise the given stat. If the simulator raises hit by more than 4 to see how effective it is, you get above the cap meaning you will get skewed results as a lot of the hit will not be working towards your melee hits.

Again, I'm not sure exactly how it is done but this could be an explanation

Regarding the simulator, how does the <ChaoticSkyflareDiamond> tag work? does it simply apply the 3% crit damage bonus so that you can use this tag as well when using Relentless Earthsiege Diamond which has been proven to be superior now that JC gems no longer fulfil meta requirements?

Afabar · 08/17/09, 4:12 AM

Originally Posted by Amrasellion

It may be that it undervalues hit compared to expertise because you're so close to the hit cap (4 hit rating low). Without being completely sure I believe the simulator calculates the EP by first running a simulation with your current stats (the dry run) and then it raises 1 skill at a time by a certain amount and runs the simulation again and checks the difference to see how effective it is to raise the given stat. If the simulator raises hit by more than 4 to see how effective it is, you get above the cap meaning you will get skewed results as a lot of the hit will not be working towards your melee hits.

Again, I'm not sure exactly how it is done but this could be an explanation

Regarding the simulator, how does the <ChaoticSkyflareDiamond> tag work? does it simply apply the 3% crit damage bonus so that you can use this tag as well when using Relentless Earthsiege Diamond which has been proven to be superior now that JC gems no longer fulfil meta requirements?

For EP stat, Hit and Expertise are set to melee cap except for hit and expertise calculation.
CSD is only the 3% crit damage.

Originally Posted by Mind

By the way, does your strength value gets recalculated after talents? For example, if I'm seeing my stats on blood spec and after put blood spec on simulator does it scale even more? (erronously)

Nice initiative. And yes, to make it correct you should remove the strength from:
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