Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 24

• vank · 10/27/09, 10:43 AM

I ran some tests last night and my spell hit was well below my regular hit rating. In fact, the numbers looked perfect. I'll run 3 more tests and post the data later.

Bensch78 · 10/27/09, 10:59 AM

I am just playing with a few Rotations and stuff.

For this reason i am just curious, if you could get somthing like this to be simmed:

This 10 second rotation should be executed once:

PS-IT-SS-BS-Pest-DC-DC

This 10 second rotation should be used the rest of the fight.

SS-SS-BS-Pest-DC-DC

One of this SS could be changed for MAX-AP PS and IT.

Would implementing something like this be possible?

When simming Unholy Prio with Pestilence without Reaping, it just does not use any reasonable number of Blood Strikes. (100h sim... there should be about 36k bloodstrikes, as many as reaping, but there are only 246)

Descended · 10/29/09, 1:52 PM

With version 1.1.7.3, using the below config, I always get the same EP results, even if I close the application between runs. It appears that no RNG reseeding is occurring. Changes to stats or latency do result in different EP results.

<config>
  <Character>2h Ulduar.xml(C:\Downloads\Installs\DKSimulator\Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.7.3\Characters\2h Ulduar.xml)</Character>
  <template>Blood 51-0-20.xml(C:\Downloads\Installs\DKSimulator\Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.7.3\Templates\Blood 51-0-20.xml)</template>
  <mode>priority</mode>
  <priority>Blood.xml(C:\Downloads\Installs\DKSimulator\Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.7.3\Priority\Blood.xml)</priority>
  <rotation />
  <presence>Blood</presence>
  <sigil>Virulence</sigil>
  <mh>FallenCrusader</mh>
  <oh />
  <latency>300</latency>
  <simtime>100</simtime>
  <log>False</log>
  <logdetail>False</logdetail>
  <ghoulhaste>False</ghoulhaste>
  <WaitFC>False</WaitFC>
  <pet>True</pet>
  <Enemies>1</Enemies>
  <BShOption />
  <BoneShield3.3>False</BoneShield3.3>
  <txtManyFights>530</txtManyFights>
  <chkManyFights>True</chkManyFights>
  <txtAMSrp>0</txtAMSrp>
  <txtAMScd>60</txtAMScd>
</config>

Afabar · 10/29/09, 6:17 PM

Originally Posted by Descended

With version 1.1.7.3, using the below config, I always get the same EP results, even if I close the application between runs. It appears that no RNG reseeding is occurring. Changes to stats or latency do result in different EP results.

You have to restart your computer if you want to change the RNG. Each strike/ white hit and proc have their own RNG, this assure that you will have consistent simulation when you change haste or some thing like that.

Descended · 10/31/09, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

You have to restart your computer if you want to change the RNG. Each strike/ white hit and proc have their own RNG, this assure that you will have consistent simulation when you change haste or some thing like that.

It would be nice to have an option to choose to reseed the primary. I can see huge swings in haste EP between reseeds, and crit/agi and weapon speed to a lesser extent.

Veldin84 · 11/02/09, 3:28 AM

I tried restarting my computer and then re-running a 1000 hr sim without any changes to the settings, and I got the exact same results. So I'm not sure if there is a reseed at all, as it stands currently.

GravityDK · 11/02/09, 12:01 PM

With the upcoming Icecrown dodge radiance, it would be very helpful for tanks to have an "always retain 20 RP" option. Perhaps a good place for it is in the XML priority file rather than in the UI. I guess you would add a conditional test around Death Coil / Frost Strike to say IF XML says "save RP" and IF RP > (20 + cost of DC or FS) then do DC/FS.

It would help because the value of rune strike relates to avoidance/swing speed, yet with a 3.3 Unholy priority (so I can use Glyph of Disease easily and reliably, prefer priority to rotation files), the system will burn too much RP and I get a consequently lower damage from RS.

I can confirm the IT Glyph for 3.3 works too in latest version, thanks for making that easier.

Afabar · 11/03/09, 10:04 AM

1.1.7.4 Release notes
* Some optimization on summoning DRW and Gargoyle
* Added a priority called <SaveRPForRuneStrike/> to save 20 RP for rune strike.
* Option to change the RNG seed. If the sim is restarted it will go back to the first RNG.
* Possibility to have introduction rotation. Check Intro.xml for sample.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.7.4

Azuwraith · 11/03/09, 3:57 PM

Is there a way to add the new intro part to a priority as well?

Bensch78 · 11/04/09, 7:37 AM

Originally Posted by Afabar

1.1.7.4 Release notes
* Some optimization on summoning DRW and Gargoyle
* Added a priority called <SaveRPForRuneStrike/> to save 20 RP for rune strike.
* Option to change the RNG seed. If the sim is restarted it will go back to the first RNG.
* Possibility to have introduction rotation. Check Intro.xml for sample.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.7.4

Thx for the possibility of an Intro-Rotation, but i get some odd numbers:

Ability	Total	%	Landed	Hit%	Crit%	Miss%	Average
MainHand	588677521	30,8	141002	61,4	38,6	0	4175
Ghoul	307218261	16,1	343658	87	13	0	894
DeathCoil	302868636	15,8	54149	59,3	40,7	0	5593,2
ScourgeStrike	277685125	14,5	70948	46,1	53,9	0	3913,9
Gargoyle	171292456	9	36496	87	13	0	4693,5
Necrosis	117743696	6,2	141002	100	0	0	835
BloodStrike	79663391	4,2	35474	52	48	0	2245,7
BloodCakedBlade	34326905	1,8	42279	100	0	0	811,9
UnholyBlight	30283513	1,6	54149	100	0	0	559,3
ScourgeStrike Magical	964288	0,1	70948	46,1	53,9	0	13,6
BloodPlague	371160	0	208	59,1	40,9	0	1784,4
FrostFever	340101	0	207	100	0	0	1643
WanderingPlague	295939	0	173	100	0	0	1710,6
PlagueStrike	6242	0	2	50	50	0	3121
IcyTouch	3986	0	1	0	100	0	3986
Pestilence	0	0	35474	100	0	0	0
BoneShield	0	0	1182	100	0	0	0
BloodTap	0	0	1182	100	0	0	0
DPS 5310
Total Damage 1911,74m in 100h
Threat Per Second 2433
Generated in 83s
Template: Unholy 3_3 17-0-54 NoReapingNoEpidemic
Rotation: Intro
Presence: Blood
Sigil: Virulence
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation: True

I am using the Glyph of disease and your sample intro.xml file.

The pestilence (glyphed) does not seem to refresh the diseases, when used in a rotation.

Afabar · 11/04/09, 7:57 AM

That is strange, your diseases fade after 10 minutes for no visible or logical reason. But I can't reproduce it on my side.

Ability	Total	%	Landed	Hit%	Crit%	Miss%	Average
ScourgeStrike Magical	5846846	19.5	719	43.4	56.6	0	8131.9
MainHand	5763310	19.3	1370	60.6	39.4	0	4206.8
ScourgeStrike	3202418	10.7	719	43.5	56.5	0	4454
DeathCoil	3103386	10.4	549	59.4	40.6	0	5652.8
Ghoul	2784192	9.3	3369	86.9	13.1	0	826.4
FrostFever	1691789	5.7	1199	100	0	0	1411
Gargoyle	1482746	5	350	87.2	12.2	0.6	4236.4
BloodPlague	1281731	4.3	1199	100	0	0	1069
BloodStrike	1189858	4	349	53	47	0	3409.3
WanderingPlague	1180394	3.9	950	99.6	0	0.4	1242.5
Necrosis	1152619	3.9	1370	100	0	0	841.3
BloodCakedBlade	924338	3.1	414	100	0	0	2232.7
UnholyBlight	310194	1	549	100	0	0	565
PlagueStrike	6559	0	2	50	50	0	3279.5
IcyTouch	3501	0	1	0	100	0	3501
Pestilence	0	0	360	100	0	0	0
BoneShield	0	0	11	100	0	0	0
BloodTap	0	0	11	100	0	0	0
DPS 8312
Total Damage 29.92m in 1h
Threat Per Second 3348
Generated in 1s
Template: 17-00-54-GoDD-GoD-GoIT
Rotation: Intro
Presence: Blood
Sigil: Virulence
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation: True

Do you reproduce it with another RNG seed?

Bensch78 · 11/04/09, 8:06 AM

It was just the RNG... Thank you.

Ability	Total	%	Landed	Hit%	Crit%	Miss%	Average
MainHand	589847309	18,4	141002	61,3	38,7	0	4183,3
ScourgeStrike Magical	551190485	17,2	71999	45,7	54,3	0	7655,5
DeathCoil	339374731	10,6	54995	59,7	40,3	0	6171
ScourgeStrike	308789724	9,7	71999	46,4	53,6	0	4288,8
Ghoul	306737577	9,6	343658	87,2	12,8	0	892,6
BloodPlague	210770835	6,6	119999	61,3	38,7	0	1756,4
FrostFever	197158357	6,2	119999	100	0	0	1643
Gargoyle	170712415	5,3	36139	87,1	12,9	0	4723,8
WanderingPlague	158799889	5	93415	100	0	0	1699,9
Necrosis	117977732	3,7	141002	100	0	0	836,7
BloodStrike	117702185	3,7	34801	52,2	47,8	0	3382,1
BloodCakedBlade	94694985	3	42526	100	0	0	2226,8
UnholyBlight	33932568	1,1	54995	100	0	0	617
PlagueStrike	9053	0	2	0	100	0	4526,5
IcyTouch	3986	0	1	0	100	0	3986
Pestilence	0	0	36000	100	0	0	0
BoneShield	0	0	1199	100	0	0	0
BloodTap	0	0	1199	100	0	0	0
DPS 8883
Total Damage 3197,7m in 100h
Threat Per Second 3662
Generated in 88s
Template: Unholy 3_3 17-0-54 NoReapingNoEpidemic
Rotation: Intro
Presence: Blood
Sigil: Virulence
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation: True

That looks much better.

One Question:

It uses just one IT, why does it use 2x PS?? Just curious...

Edit:

I was able to reproduce the failure:

When setting BoneShield to be used after BS/BB you lose your diseases after 10 minutes.

Ability	Total	%	Landed	Hit%	Crit%	Miss%	Average
MainHand	589606107	30,9	141002	61,3	38,7	0	4181,5
Ghoul	307143949	16,1	343658	87	13	0	893,7
DeathCoil	301966177	15,8	54154	59,7	40,3	0	5576,1
ScourgeStrike	276954497	14,5	70946	46,5	53,5	0	3903,7
Gargoyle	170894744	8,9	36440	87,3	12,7	0	4689,8
Necrosis	117929508	6,2	141002	100	0	0	836,4
BloodStrike	79489977	4,2	35473	52,3	47,7	0	2240,9
BloodCakedBlade	34534222	1,8	42526	100	0	0	812,1
UnholyBlight	30193250	1,6	54154	100	0	0	557,5
ScourgeStrike Magical	930968	0	70946	45,8	54,2	0	13,1
BloodPlague	360600	0	208	63	37	0	1733,7
FrostFever	340101	0	207	100	0	0	1643
WanderingPlague	247981	0	147	100	0	0	1686,9
PlagueStrike	9369	0	2	0	100	0	4684,5
IcyTouch	3986	0	1	0	100	0	3986
Horn	0	0	1	100	0	0	0
Pestilence	0	0	35473	100	0	0	0
BoneShield	0	0	1182	100	0	0	0
BloodTap	0	0	1182	100	0	0	0
DPS 5307
Total Damage 1910,61m in 100h
Threat Per Second 2432
Generated in 86s
Template: Unholy 3_3 17-0-54 NoReapingNoEpidemic
Rotation: Intro
Presence: Blood
Sigil: Virulence
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation: True

Afabar · 11/04/09, 8:44 AM

Originally Posted by Bensch78

It uses just one IT, why does it use 2x PS??

The 2nd PS is done at the very last second of the simulation for a weird reason. That will be corrected in the next version.

Invaishir · 11/05/09, 11:44 PM

Would it be possible to include an option for Empowered/Raging Deathbringer and the Hand-mounted Pyro Rocket that Engineers can slap on their gloves like there is for Viskag?

Lamperouqe · 11/06/09, 2:41 AM

Having 2 separate expertise values for offhand and mainhand would be nice. For example as an orc I want to know if it's worth it to pick up a better ilvl weapon which isn't an axe for my offhand hence losing 5 expertise on my offhand. Also you could make an option to sim with selected racials, since now that the race change is possible people would propably like to know if it's worth it to change race for dps.
Sorry if this is too much asked, I'm just making suggestions. :P

Consider · 11/07/09, 2:47 AM

The new layout of the report is much appreciated.

I seem to be having an issue in the latest build: When checking off trinkets for EP calculations and nothing else (no stats/set bonuses), it doesn't calculate anything. It will immediately tab it over to the report page and simply show:

	Template	17
	Rotation	unholy
	Presence	Blood
	Sigil	Virulence
	RuneEnchant	FallenCrusader /
	RuneEnchant	FallenCrusader
	Pet Calculation	True

(Or whatever, depending on spec and such)

Not a big deal as it's simply enough to approximate the value of procs, but still. Something to look into when you have the time.

Archonel · 11/07/09, 10:59 AM

Could you please add Swordguard Embroidery to the sim.

400ap/15sec, 20% proc chance.

Thanks

tripp6sic6 · 11/09/09, 7:19 PM

I've been trying to run some simulations to show the effect of Armor Penetration at different amount of Armor Pen and different gear levels. I tried running with the following profiles and consistently got ~-14.5 EP for Armor Penetration. This didn't happen when Grim Toll was not used in the profile. The results were consistent among 5 different RNG seeds.

The talents used are the standard cookie cutter 17/0/54 3.3 Unholy.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<character>
<stat>
<Strength>1423</Strength>
<Agility>335</Agility>
<Intel>75</Intel>
<Armor>13463</Armor>
<AttackPower>943</AttackPower>
<HitRating>266</HitRating>
<CritRating>890</CritRating>
<HasteRating>260</HasteRating>
<ArmorPenetrationRating>0</ArmorPenetrationRating>
<ExpertiseRating>72</ExpertiseRating>
</stat>
<weapon>
<count>1</count>
<mainhand>
<dps>222.9</dps>
<speed>3.5</speed>
</mainhand>
<offhand>
<dps>0</dps>
<speed>0</speed>
</offhand>
</weapon>
<EP><base>50</base></EP>
<Set>
<T72PDPS>1</T72PDPS>
<T74PDPS>1</T74PDPS>
<T82PDPS>0</T82PDPS>
<T84PDPS>0</T84PDPS>
<T92PDPS>0</T92PDPS>
<T94PDPS>0</T94PDPS>
<T102PDPS>0</T102PDPS>
<T104PDPS>0</T104PDPS>
<T72PTNK>0</T72PTNK>
<T74PTNK>0</T74PTNK>
<T82PTNK>0</T82PTNK>
<T84PTNK>0</T84PTNK>
</Set>
<ChaoticSkyflareDiamond>1</ChaoticSkyflareDiamond>
<trinket>
<MjolnirRunestone>0</MjolnirRunestone>
<GrimToll>1</GrimToll>
<BitterAnguish>0</BitterAnguish>
<Mirror>0</Mirror>
<Greatness>1</Greatness>
<DCDeath>0</DCDeath>
<Victory>0</Victory>
<Necromantic>0</Necromantic>
<Bandit>0</Bandit>
<Pyrite>0</Pyrite>
<DarkMatter>0</DarkMatter>
<OldGod>0</OldGod>
<Comet>0</Comet>
<DeathChoice>0</DeathChoice>
<DeathChoiceHeroic>0</DeathChoiceHeroic>
</trinket>
<proc>
<MHtemperedViskag>0</MHtemperedViskag>
<MHSingedViskag>0</MHSingedViskag>
<OHtemperedViskag>0</OHtemperedViskag>
<OHSingedViskag>0</OHSingedViskag>
</proc>
</character>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Average for DryRun | 8108
Average for AttackPower | 8179
Average for ArmorPenetrationRating | 7591
AttackPower | 1
ArmorPenetrationRating | -14.56
| Template | Unholy33
| Priority | Unholy
| Presence | Blood
| Sigil | Virulence
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader /
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader
| Pet Calculation | True

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Afabar · 11/10/09, 10:39 AM

1.1.8.0 Release notes
* New: A character editor. Old Character config files should work on the character editor but not on the sim.
* New: A Priority/Rotation/Intro editor. Select _None to remove an item
* Intro has is own combo box and configuration files and folder. (not having the intro folder can cause crash)
* Some GUI improvement
* Rune Strike: Threat generated increased 17%
* Rune setup into rotation no more used.
* Empower Rune weapon available into intro and rotation.
* Few more premade Character
* Raging Deathbringer and Empowered Deathbringer implemented.
* Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket implemented and Swordguard Embroidery.
* Proc/Trinket code optimization.
* Fix a calculation problem when character have 0 Penetration armor.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.8.0

There has been a lot of work on this release, so I wouldn't be surprise if some bug would have been introduced, so feel free to report strange behavior.
I will try to work on racial for the next release.

Invaishir · 11/10/09, 8:38 PM

Thanks a lot, Afabar, that was really quick for a relatively big update.

kansin · 11/11/09, 12:39 PM

I'm using 1.1.8.0. With the character editor, I can save new character file, but it does not show up on the drop down for for Character under Configuration until I exit the app and relaunch. I have tried the same action with Talents & Priority, both of which work as expected.

Note, the Heading for talents under the "Configuration" tab says "Template", but takes you to the "Talent" tab.

xylotism · 11/13/09, 6:21 AM

Originally Posted by kansin

I'm using 1.1.8.0. With the character editor, I can save new character file, but it does not show up on the drop down for for Character under Configuration until I exit the app and relaunch. I have tried the same action with Talents & Priority, both of which work as expected.

Note, the Heading for talents under the "Configuration" tab says "Template", but takes you to the "Talent" tab.

I noticed this as well, and fixed the problem by moving the character's .xml file from the Kahorie folder to the Characters subfolder, which I assume is where they should be saving to anyway.

But I'm getting a new error, says something about visual basic.

Error Signature
EventType : clr20r3 P1 : kahorie's dk simulator.exe P2 : 1.1.8.0
P3 : 4af987e8 P4 : microsoft.visualbasic P5 : 8.0.0.0 P6 : 4889f422
P7 : 359 P8 : 52 P9 : system.invalidcastexception

It happens whenever I start a fight or EP sim. It's weird because it was working before (I downloaded 1.1.8.0 shortly after it was released) and isn't now, in either of my Windows XP boots.

EDIT: I've isolated it to my character sheet... creating a new one (identical) seems to have worked. Strange.

Afabar · 11/13/09, 7:46 AM

Originally Posted by xylotism

I noticed this as well, and fixed the problem by moving the character's .xml file from the Kahorie folder to the Characters subfolder, which I assume is where they should be saving to anyway.

It seems that I forgot to refresh the first screen with file list when you save a character. It will be soon corrected, but as walk around you can, after creating a new character, just open a template for edition then save it without modification, the previously created character file should appears.

xylotism · 11/13/09, 3:17 PM

I noticed something else strange this morning... After running a set of EP sims, my results showed that haste is worth almost 8AP and hit (to melee cap) is worth less than 1. Is this just because I'm already at the melee cap? I assumed it would show the proper EP anyway.

This is with a cookie cutter 4p t9 Unholy 2H spec, in 232-245 ToC/tier gear. (see armory)

I didn't get a chance to try it with a different RNG seed, I'll try and do that tonight.

Larisroth · 11/13/09, 6:21 PM

It's very hard to measure the EP of haste accurately as it changes the series of attacks and when you get procs and the like and so is quite noisy. You can see this if you run a stat scaling run with haste.

As for the hit rating I believe the sim starts at the melee cap and compares that in both directions. It's actually quite hard to work out how to measure the value of hit rating, as the break points are pretty close together.

Kahorie, I think that you should actually separate out the hit rating caculations from the rest of the EP values. The main reason for doing this is that if it uses the hit value for that base 2H hit cap rather than what is entered. This can cause problems with getting accurately values especially for GoD based builds.

My other issue was with the soft reset code. When I grabbed the source, and I noticed that the trinkets were now being reset in the soft-reset code, which I was about to request. However it seems while the Bone Shield CD is being reset it isn't prebuffing like the first run through the system.