Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 30

dr_AllCOM3 · 01/27/10, 7:54 PM

BeforeMeleeHitCap: Hit rating until you reach 8% melee hit.
EP SpellHitRating: Hit rating until spells never miss.
After spell hit cap: Hit rating until dual-wield autoattacks always hit.

Commondrain · 01/28/10, 4:45 AM

First of all thanks for this awesome tool Kahorie, it's been very valuable as a means of evaluating upgrades.

I recently installed 1.2.0.6 (moved from 1.2.0.3), and since have been getting very low EP values for expertise (~0.8 AP). I know this isn't correct, because my Exp is currently a bit low, only 117 rating. Dropping much more than this and I'll probably start to see a decent chance of more than 1 dodge per rotation, which starts to eat into dps quite a bit.

I know others have had issues with expertise in particular, but does anyone have suggestions on possible fixes? Changing RNG seed doesn't seem to make any difference, maybe I need a longer sim time? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

GravityDK · 01/28/10, 9:13 AM

Possible bug. If I spec into Imp Icy Talons in an otherwise ordinary tank spec, run sim, then do it again with the 'melee haste' buff on in Buffs section, I get different results. I'd have thought one or the other would be used, so there'd be no variation.

Afabar · 01/28/10, 9:27 AM

Raid buff given by the player are not implemented. Imp Icy Talons is only a 5% haste buff for the player, if you want the 20% it's in the buff section. You can add in the same bag: Abomination's Might, Horn and EbonPlague Bringer.

Arthas · 01/28/10, 2:56 PM

Just a reminder to posters who are thinking of gemming arp over str.
1) Any fight with more then 1 add you lose dps. Arp doesnt effect aoe abilities.
2) When you generate EP values that tell you arp is better then str, you need to remember you did so with str gems currently in your gear. So what you really need to do is simulate yourself with all the str you are getting from gems subtracted out.

radtech · 01/28/10, 7:50 PM

First things first - thanks for the awesome simulator!

I am new to this program and I want to make sure I have the rotation right. I am trying to simulate using the rotation without reaping found in the Unholy DPS thread:
PS – IT – BS – SS – BS – DC – HoW - SS – BS – SS – BS – DC – DC

I copied one of the rotation .xml files and edited it with this. Is this correct for my rotation?

<Rotation>
  <Rotation>
    <PlagueStrike retry="1" />
    <IcyTouch retry="1" />
    <BloodStrike retry="1" />
    <ScourgeStrike retry="1" />
    <BloodStrike retry="1" />
    <DeathCoil retry="0" />
    <Horn retry="1" />
    <ScourgeStrike retry="1" />
    <BloodStrike retry="1" />
    <ScourgeStrike retry="1" />
    <BloodStrike retry="1" />
    <DeathCoil retry="0" />
    <DeathCoil retry="0" />
  </Rotation>
</Rotation>

Thanks in advance for any help

Vorgrim · 01/29/10, 1:16 AM

From what I can tell, PS>IT>SS>BS>BS>DC>HOW>SS>SS>BS>BS>DC>DC is better dps for unholy without reaping.

GravityDK · 01/29/10, 4:20 AM

Originally Posted by Afabar

Raid buff given by the player are not implemented. Imp Icy Talons is only a 5% haste buff for the player, if you want the 20% it's in the buff section. You can add in the same bag: Abomination's Might, Horn and EbonPlague Bringer.

Strangely:
if I have a frost build with IITalons but melee haste turned off (in raid buffs): 4877 tps, and mainhand 9.1% of total damage
same spec with melee haste turned on: 5004 tps, mainhand 11.5%
spec without IITalons and melee haste off: 5077 tps, mainhand 7.9%

Since IIT is a 25% melee haste buff for yourself, and 20% haste for the raid, but looks like you've implemented it as if 45% haste is applied to your own mainhand. I had thought they were not additive, so the net haste for the DK was only 25%?

Can't get in-game to verify right now.

Afabar · 01/29/10, 5:03 AM

I guess it come from Rune Strike. I have test in blood presence:

	Hit count
With IIT, With Haste buff	1369
Without IIT, With Haste buff	1319
With IIT, Without Haste buff	1168
Without IIT, Without Haste buff	1118

The difference between hit count is the same (50).

Afabar · 01/29/10, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by radtech

PS – IT – BS – SS – BS – DC – HoW - SS – BS – SS – BS – DC – DC

I would remove the Retry on Horn.
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vdgmasterx · 01/29/10, 5:07 PM

I posted about this issue a page back, and the issue is still occurring. I keep getting values for hit that are strange:

EP SpellHitRating | 0.68
After spell hit cap | 0.97

I've reset the RNG seed a few times. Something is not right; I should not be consistently getting values where hit AFTER spell cap is worth more.

Also, I'm trying to figure out a sweet spot for expertise in my current gear and the sim is not giving me proper info. I am at 23 expertise (orc with axes, 5 from talents, 109 expertise rating) and when I run the sim I never get any misses. I thought this was curious so I manually set my expertise rating to 132 and my dps was exactly the same. Resetting the RNG Seed did nothing. Maybe I am doing something wrong but any assistance would be appreciated, thanks.

GravityDK · 01/30/10, 6:23 AM

hmm I ran it again, and this time looked at number of hits, as you did. I see 34% more attacks with the 'melee haste' raid buff on; I'd expect 25% more. This is Frost presence, Frost 2H spec. Neither spec had IITalons.

Surely that's not right? Perhaps I've had the wrong understanding of the theory of haste (being a tank, not dpser, maybe so!), but I thought 25% haste meant 25% more melee attacks in the same period, whereas this is showing 34% and I can't think of any reason why. The only change was the 'melee haste' raid buff setting.

I looked at the total number of hits in the 100 hr sim (200ms latency). Results:

No haste		#attacks
rs		46400	
mainhand	49108	


haste	% more than no haste
rs		48119	    103.70%
mh		65830	    134.05%

Images below so you can verify where I'm getting the data:

Afabar · 01/30/10, 6:51 AM

Originally Posted by GravityDK

No haste		#attacks
rs		46400	
mainhand	49108	

haste	% more than no haste
rs		48119	    103.70%
mh		65830	    134.05%

Sum of MH+RS no haste: 95508
Sum of MH+RS with haste: 113949

113949 / 95508 = 1,193083301922352

Here is the 20% buff.

gia · 01/30/10, 7:20 AM

Originally Posted by vdgmasterx

Also, I'm trying to figure out a sweet spot for expertise in my current gear and the sim is not giving me proper info. I am at 23 expertise (orc with axes, 5 from talents, 109 expertise rating) and when I run the sim I never get any misses. I thought this was curious so I manually set my expertise rating to 132 and my dps was exactly the same. Resetting the RNG Seed did nothing. Maybe I am doing something wrong but any assistance would be appreciated, thanks.

I have the same issue. From my limited tests, setting "Main Hand Expertise" to anything other than zero causes all attacks to never be dodged, even with zero expertise stats.

Here is a sample output with main hand expertise racial set to 1 and expertise rating set to 0.

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
MainHand	657063652	18,4	124380	5282,7	76559	61,6	3307,7	47821	38,4	8444,6
ScourgeStrikeMagical	442974684	12,4	71792	6170,3	33204	46,3	3545,3	38588	53,7	8428,9
ScourgeStrike	415750483	11,7	71792	5791	33204	46,3	3327,8	38588	53,7	7910,6
DeathCoil	395416469	11,1	59345	6663	36423	61	4726,6	22922	38,4	9740	380	,6
Ghoul	386524255	10,8	355725	1086,6	309206	86,9	970,8	46519	13,1	1856,3
FrostFever	225072597	6,3	108397	2076,4	108397	100							99,8	99,8
BloodPlague	188674622	5,3	108363	1741,1	108363	100							99,8	99,8
Gargoyle	173781426	4,9	32617	5327,9	28348	86,3	4710,4	4269	13	9428,5	215	,7
BloodStrike	143657067	4	34700	4140	18111	52,2	2749,1	16589	47,8	5658,5
Necrosis	127661744	3,6	124380	1026,4	124380	100
WanderingPlague	117089245	3,3	61592	1901	61592	99,4					393	,6
BloodCakedBlade	105200153	3	37359	2815,9	37359	100	2815,9
PlagueStrike	86271661	2,4	17948	4806,8	9900	55,2	2969,1	8048	44,8	7067,3
IcyTouch	60720046	1,7	17948	3383,1	11031	61,1	2402,9	6917	38,3	4946,3	109	,6
UnholyBlight	39545330	1,1	59345	666,4	59345	100
DPS	9904
Total Damage	3565,4m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	5065
Generated in	24s
Template:	Unholy 12-0-59
Rotation:	Unholy-Reaping
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

Another unrelated bug that I haven't tried to reproduce, but the Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance seems to randomly disable itself when I save characters.

Alyse · 01/30/10, 8:55 AM

Originally Posted by gia

Another unrelated bug that I haven't tried to reproduce, but the Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance seems to randomly disable itself when I save characters.

This seems to occur when you first open the program; editing a character seems to cause the Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance to uncheck itself.

Afabar · 01/30/10, 10:36 AM

I have found the problem with racial expertise and spell hit. Thanks for the reports guys. I want to let you know that when I don't answer to message it's because I have nothing to say (good or bad news). I will try to deliver an update this afternoon if time permits it.

GravityDK · 01/30/10, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

113949 / 95508 = 1,193083301922352

Here is the 20% buff.

doh! Of course, oh man I feel stupid. Thanks.

dr_AllCOM3 · 02/01/10, 11:59 PM

I've implemented Shadowmourne just for fun (It's not like you'd need the sim at that point anymore

). I hope I got everything right. I've set the proc rate at 60%.
The proc alone is worth about 840 dps for Unholy and a little bit more for Blood. Bryntroll heroic proc is worth 480 dps as a reference.
Haste is quite the nice stat with the proc, better than crit.

deathes · 02/02/10, 6:49 AM

It seems Tattashe's armory grabber creates xml with +5 racial expertise for human characters.

Other than racial expertise and spell hit problem in 1.2.0.6 i see that EP armor value converts (Armor value x 1000) into Guild0x.

For example if the sim gives you 0.028 armor value, it will apper as 28 in guild0x.

Bllets · 02/03/10, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by deathes

It seems Tattashe's armory grabber creates xml with +5 racial expertise for human characters.

Other than racial expertise and spell hit problem in 1.2.0.6 i see that EP armor value converts (Armor value x 1000) into Guild0x.

For example if the sim gives you 0.028 armor value, it will apper as 28 in guild0x.

Grabber has been fixed to only give +3 expertise for humans. Along with other fixes which should be up later tonight.

deathes · 02/03/10, 8:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bllets

Grabber has been fixed to only give +3 expertise for humans. Along with other fixes which should be up later tonight.

Racial expertise is correct for humans now. But i forgot to mention that grabber uses talent-modified base stats. It should use base stats without talent effects. For example you can check your character's base stats without talent effects on wowhead profiler. Just you should reset talents there.

It would be good to have a fix for this because without true base stats sim will generate wrong calculation.

tatersauce · 02/05/10, 1:45 PM

Hey everyone, I've been running some sims with the latest version(1.2.0.6) and my reports are continuing to show the Magical portion of Scourge Strike as being able to crit still. Noticed a report earlier in the thread that had 0% crit for the magical portion and some reports that are critting.

Anyone know what might be causing this?

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
MainHand	755864641	20	132487	5705.2	88410	66.7	3800.8	44077	33.3	9525.1
DeathCoil	446369691	11.8	58407	7642.4	42657	72.4	5943.7	15750	26.7	12243.2	511	.9
ScourgeStrike	432634412	11.5	70703	6119	36498	51.6	3671.8	34205	48.4	8730.4
ScourgeStrikeMagical	406095255	10.8	70703	5743.7	36498	51.6	3444.4	34205	48.4	8197.1
Ghoul	371989945	9.8	355988	1045	309586	87	933.9	46402	13	1785.5
FrostFever	241476143	6.4	88379	2732.3	88379	100							73.6	73.

deathes · 02/06/10, 9:18 PM

Originally Posted by tatersauce

Hey everyone, I've been running some sims with the latest version(1.2.0.6) and my reports are continuing to show the Magical portion of Scourge Strike as being able to crit still. Noticed a report earlier in the thread that had 0% crit for the magical portion and some reports that are critting.

Anyone know what might be causing this?

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
MainHand	755864641	20	132487	5705.2	88410	66.7	3800.8	44077	33.3	9525.1
DeathCoil	446369691	11.8	58407	7642.4	42657	72.4	5943.7	15750	26.7	12243.2	511	.9
ScourgeStrike	432634412	11.5	70703	6119	36498	51.6	3671.8	34205	48.4	8730.4
ScourgeStrikeMagical	406095255	10.8	70703	5743.7	36498	51.6	3444.4	34205	48.4	8197.1
Ghoul	371989945	9.8	355988	1045	309586	87	933.9	46402	13	1785.5
FrostFever	241476143	6.4	88379	2732.3	88379	100							73.6	73.

I have noticed that too. It looks magical part of scourge strike crits in this version.

Afabar · 02/07/10, 11:28 AM

* Racial Expertise correction.
* Spell Hit EP value correction.
* Shadowmourne and Bryntroll heroic procs.
* EP Calculation/ Talent Value in Frost Presence are made againts TPS and not DPS.
* Rune strike is no more considered as a White hit.
* Sigil of Hanged Man.
* When you "save as new" it's automaticaly selected.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.2.0.7

Regarding the SS crit:

1.2.0.1 Release notes
* Magical Scourge strike appears as crit if original strike is crit.

Archonel · 02/07/10, 1:59 PM

Bryntroll no longer procs from debuff application. The sim is currently showing pre-patch numbers.

Last weeks log(pre-patch)
The fight had 28 total drain life procs. Quick match shows that without a doubt it would proc off debuff application pre-patch.(already known)

157 possible procs w/o debuffs (157x.11) 17.3 actual procs
232 possible procs w/ debuffs (232x.11) 25.5 actual procs

This weeks log(post-patch)
Post patch, the numbers are quite different with 18 total procs.

176 possible procs w/o debuffs (176x.11) 19.3 actual procs
~248 possible procs w/ debuffs (232x.11) 27.3 actual procs
(wol seemed bugged on FF applications)

I realize this is a VERY small sample size, but I assure you other logs will show similar results.