Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 40

Feanorr · 07/06/10, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sidisius

Im assuming you have 267 hit rating on your character sheet, meaning you are way over spell cap with the 3% your getting from Virulence.

we need 283-4 hit to be at the spell hit cap WITH virulence (and misery/FF)

Capstone · 07/07/10, 12:40 AM

It's 263 if you're alliance with draenei aura, 289 otherwise.

Sabrelime · 07/08/10, 8:35 PM

If your entering a frost Dk with endless winter status's in should you divide the strength value by 1.04? I was just wondering because you mention the other strength % talents but not this one.

Vajrus · 07/09/10, 12:04 PM

With Ruby Sanctum out for quite some time now, I was hoping to see the new items implemented in the simulator. Especially the trinket, I want to see how big of an upgrade it is compared to other items.
Hopeing to see a new version of best DK simulator out there

Afabar · 07/09/10, 1:26 PM

Don't worry. It will be soon out. I'm just cursing wowhead because they have changed their item list display.
I also want to annonce that this will probably the last update on the hard client. The cataclism version will be only available using the silverlight client, that is already faster in siming and I hope will be easier to support.
By the way, I'm still hungry of feedback regarding it.

mebizzle · 07/09/10, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

Don't worry. It will be soon out. I'm just cursing wowhead because they have changed their item list display.
I also want to annonce that this will probably the last update on the hard client. The cataclism version will be only available using the silverlight client, that is already faster in siming and I hope will be easier to support.
By the way, I'm still hungry of feedback regarding it.

The silverlight client will have all of the features of the hard client before you make it exclusive right? As it stands now I still prefer the exe version because of how incomplete the silverlight version feels (I use armory import alot, heh)

Other than the feature disparity I've found the Silverlight version to be quite nice, I was initially scared when you announced it because of how much I dislike the new version of Rawr but this one works very well.

Afabar · 07/09/10, 8:09 PM

Sadly, the main issue I have with the Silverlight version is Armory import. For security reason, Microsoft disallow getting informations from some site if the app can't get some sort of certificate. I'm trying to find a workaround. The only way right now to do it, would be for the user to go to his armory, copy the source of the displayed page and paste it in a screen of the app for computing. I know it's not very nice, but that could be a temporary band aid.

mebizzle · 07/10/10, 2:44 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

Sadly, the main issue I have with the Silverlight version is Armory import. For security reason, Microsoft disallow getting informations from some site if the app can't get some sort of certificate. I'm trying to find a workaround. The only way right now to do it, would be for the user to go to his armory, copy the source of the displayed page and paste it in a screen of the app for computing. I know it's not very nice, but that could be a temporary band aid.

That doesn't sound terrible, in all honesty, as long as the functionality is there it works for me.

phete · 07/11/10, 7:33 AM

Originally Posted by Afabar

Sadly, the main issue I have with the Silverlight version is Armory import. For security reason, Microsoft disallow getting informations from some site if the app can't get some sort of certificate. I'm trying to find a workaround. The only way right now to do it, would be for the user to go to his armory, copy the source of the displayed page and paste it in a screen of the app for computing. I know it's not very nice, but that could be a temporary band aid.

Team Robot WoW Simulator has armory import working

I guess you could try to explicitly use the ClientHTTP stack to make the requests which doesn't have any limitations.

How to: Specify Browser or Client HTTP Handling

Afabar · 07/11/10, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by phete

Team Robot WoW Simulator has armory import working

I guess you could try to explicitly use the ClientHTTP stack to make the requests which doesn't have any limitations.

How to: Specify Browser or Client HTTP Handling

Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look at it, but I think I have already tried that thing without success.

kelben · 07/11/10, 6:16 PM

Found something interesting, I entered all the new RS items into the sim, save the trinket, and I found one interesting thing. It looks like the leather bracers are ~100 downgrade despite what DK optimize reports. I am not sure why the discrepancy. Simmed with the ICC 25% buff. And I've double, triple checked my item entries.

Boots + 271 ring from RS 10 over the 277 rep ring

DPS| 16625(+/- 3920)
Total Damage| 9874.96m | in 165h
Total runic power used: 3397740 (69635 wasted)
Threat Per Second| 11434
Generated in |49s
Template:| Unholy 00-17-54
Priority: |Unholy
Presence: |Blood

Boots + bracers

DPS| 16524(+/- 3993)
Total Damage| 9815.19m | in 165h
Total runic power used: 3409880 (58770 wasted)
Threat Per Second| 11352
Generated in |48s
Template:| Unholy 00-17-54
Priority: |Unholy
Presence: |Blood

Afabar · 07/12/10, 7:03 AM

Using the 2H-ICC pre made I get 15.891 DPS and if I replace Boots, bracers and the hand enchant: 15.999 DPS. I don't know why our results have some difference except if you forgot to change the hand enchant.

Anyway, the long awaited new version of the sim is ready for release:

1.2.1.7 Release notes
* UA GCD fix
* Rune Strike is back on frost presence.
* New: Ruby Sanctum gear.
* New: Scenario editor. This is the place where you set up fight lenght, some events like adds that pop, boss unreachable.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.2.1.7.zip

07/12/10 at 12:03 PM Edit:
I have updated the Item Database because it was lacking of the socket bonus on the Penumbra Pendant. You may want to re-download the package and just overwrite the file ./gearselector/itemDB.xml.

xbit · 07/14/10, 4:37 AM

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	88736856	17.4	21258	5894.2	6033	24.1	3066.9	9022	36	6307.7	3773	15.1	6203	24.8	2148.3

I'm wondering how average MainHand damage is being calculated here. It seems to me that if my average hit was 3066.9, average crit 6307.7, and average glance was 2148.3 then my average damage should be somewhere in the area of 3066.9*0.241 + 6307.7*0.36 + 2148.3*0.248 = 3542.7, though probably not exactly. The reported value of 5894.2 seems way too high. Am I misinterpreting something here?

Afabar · 07/14/10, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by xbit

The reported value of 5894.2 seems way too high. Am I misinterpreting something here?

It looks like you are right. There average seems to omit the glances. The good news is that it's just a display issue. The overall result is still correct.

Afabar · 07/21/10, 8:40 AM

1.2.1.7 Silverlight Version Release notes
* UA GCD fix
* Rune Strike is back on frost presence.
* New: Ruby Sanctum gear.
* New: Scenario editor. This is the place where you set up fight lenght, some events like adds that pop, boss unreachable
Silverlight Specific:
* Armory Import is now working.
* Character editor reworking. Hope you like the display.
* The report is now generated also for available with Table tag for forum usage.

Kahorie's DK Simulator

Now, it's time to work on cataclysm version.

Mitranim · 07/21/10, 11:21 AM

It seems that the Silverlight version doesn't run a simulation. There's nothing in the progress bar, and nothing happens no matter how long I wait.

Afabar · 07/21/10, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mitranim

It seems that the Silverlight version doesn't run a simulation. There's nothing in the progress bar, and nothing happens however long I wait.

Did you choose a scenario? The bar don't update if you don't select a scenario first (don't ask me why). Do your processor seems to work? The sim should use at least 1 core of your machine.

On my computer, I have selected this and it works:

<config>
  <CharacterWithGear>2H ICC.xml</CharacterWithGear>
  <template>Unholy 00-17-54.xml</template>
  <mode>priority</mode>
  <intro>NoIntro.xml</intro>
  <priority>Unholy.xml</priority>
  <rotation />
  <presence>Blood</presence>
  <sigil>HangedMan</sigil>
  <mh>FallenCrusader</mh>
  <oh />
  <scenario>Scenario.xml</scenario>
  <latency>150</latency>
  <simtime>10</simtime>
  <BSTTL>300</BSTTL>
  <log>false</log>
  <logdetail>false</logdetail>
  <ShowProc>false</ShowProc>
  <WaitFC>false</WaitFC>
  <pet>true</pet>
  <BloodSync>false</BloodSync>
  <chkMergeReport>false</chkMergeReport>
  <BShOption>Instead of Blood Strike</BShOption>
  <ICCBuff />
  <txtAMSrp>0</txtAMSrp>
  <txtAMScd>60</txtAMScd>
  <txtReportName></txtReportName>
</config>

Mitranim · 07/21/10, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

Did you choose a scenario?

Yes I did. To answer further questions, here's how it looks like:

I didn't change any settings not visible on this image except talents and rotation.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Afabar

Do you have the same problem in priority mode?

Yes.

Afabar · 07/21/10, 12:35 PM

Do you have the same problem in priority mode?

Mitranim · 07/21/10, 1:03 PM

Update: problem solved after randomly hitting buttons "Change RNG seed", "Start EP" and "Show last report" (in this exact sequence). The program behaves normally since then.

LasVegas11 · 07/22/10, 5:02 AM

Being fairly new into the world of simcraft I'm stumbling on some problems that are probably really easy to avoid. When I do a QuickDPS test how exactly is the expertise capped calculated? I can tell from the OP it's a pretty difficult calculation, but I can't seem to understand it properly. For example, I run a DW Frost setup, if I run a setup with 11 expertise (+5 from TS) I get more dps then if I run a setup with 21 expertise (+5) so that means the cap. How exactly does this work?

Surely not being capped shouldn't grant more dps then actually being expertise capped.. The 16 expertise setup runs with 277 Winding Sheet, if I switch it out for Might of the Ocean Serpent + an expertise Dragon Eye gem I lose quite some dps while being expertise capped.

I'm sorry if this been asked before, but I'd love to hear what I'm overlooking here.

Afabar · 07/22/10, 8:17 AM

By changing Winding Sheet(H) and a 32 Strength gem to a Might of the Ocean and a 32 expertise gem you lose 55 STR, 68 Crit and 60 Haste to gain 77 Exp and 65 ArP. I'm not surprise that you lose some dps on the road. Not being caped is a dps loss, taking some gear of the previous tier to reach it may be a superior loss.
My tip would be to generate EP value of your character and run the Zerack's DK Gear Optimizer (available in the DK forum) it will calculate for you all possible combination and give you the result of how you should equip to reach the best dps.

The Docster · 07/24/10, 2:48 AM

I think I found a bug with the Silverlight version. My browser froze up when I tried to get EP with the generator while using Firefox. Then when I tried again using Chrome a weird puzzle piece popped up.

Also, gargoyle wasn't showing up in the breakdown when I was simulating my unholy dps. Bone Shield isn't being properly refreshed by the sim also according to the report.

Kaejin · 07/24/10, 3:29 AM

I have a problem with the Silverlight version not entirely showing on my screen. My screen resolution is 1024 x 768 so I'm sure that's the reason, but I just thought I'd chime in and let you know that it makes it a little hard to use when any option at the very top or very bottom of the UI are either unable to be read or clicked. I can't change tabs, for instance.

ToXinE · 07/27/10, 12:04 PM

Hi, the silverlight's version of your DK simulator produces this error when simulating with a modified rotation:
(sorry, the error is in french)

Erreur�*: Unhandled Error in Silverlight Application [Xml_BadNameChar]
Arguments : /;0x2F
Les chaînes de ressource de débogage ne sont pas disponibles. Souvent la clé et les arguments fournissent suffisamment d'informations pour diagnostiquer le problème. Consultez http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=106663&Version=4.0.50524.0&File=System.Xml.dll&Key=Xml_BadNameChar   �* System.Xml.XmlConvert.VerifyNCName(String name, ExceptionType exceptionType)
   �* System.Xml.Linq.XName..ctor(XNamespace ns, String localName)
   �* System.Xml.Linq.XNamespace.GetName(String localName)
   �* System.Xml.Linq.XName.Get(String expandedName)
   �* DKSIMVB.Rotation.loadRotation()
   �* DKSIMVB.Sim.Start()
   �* System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart_Context(Object state)
   �* System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean ignoreSyncCtx)
   �* System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
   �* System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart()
Fichier Source�*: http://meliades.org/dksim/KahorieDKSIM.html
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here is the rotation i used :

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Rotation>
  <Rotation>
    <IcyTouch retry="1"></IcyTouch>
    <PlagueStrike retry="1"></PlagueStrike>
    <HeartStrike retry="1"></HeartStrike>
    <HeartStrike retry="1"></HeartStrike>
    <DeathStrike retry="1"></DeathStrike>
    <DeathCoil retry="0"></DeathCoil>
    <DeathCoil retry="0"></DeathCoil>
    <DeathStrike retry="1"></DeathStrike>
    <HeartStrike retry="1"></HeartStrike>
    <HeartStrike retry="1"></HeartStrike>
    <HeartStrike retry="1"></HeartStrike>
    <HeartStrike retry="1"></HeartStrike>
    <DeathCoil retry="0"></DeathCoil>
    <DeathCoil retry="0"></DeathCoil>
  </Rotation>
</Rotation>

When simulating with priority, everthing runs fine.

My browser is FF 3.6.8 and Silverlight is 4.0.50524.0