Hi, I have a problem. The live versions of Kahorie's don't work on my computer for some reason (and yes i have Silverlight), the hard client works, but the Armory function doesn't work correctly and if I try to enter my items i get an exception every time. I can click continue though and this way I could generate my stat weights.

I now would very much appreciate if someone with time on their hands can recalculate my EP Values so I can check if in spite of the errors i get, the stat weights I calculated are valid.

Armorylink: The World of Warcraft Armory - Ømgãkzëñtê @ Ambossar - Profile
Character is: Ømgãkzëñtê
on: EU-Ambossar

This is what I got so far
EP AttackPower | 1 (0,86 DPS/per AP)
EP Strength | 2,74
EP CritRating | 1,93
EP HasteEstimated | 1,7
EP HasteRating1 | 1,86
EP ArmorPenetrationRating | 2,37
EP WeaponDPS | 6,63
EP 2T10 | 307,32
EP 4T10 | 352,44
EP DeathbringersWill | 386,9
EP WhisperingFangedSkull | 377,38


I hope this doesn't count as handholding.

p.s.: I read I should gem Haste/Strength in Yellowsockets provided they have +Strength bonus, if my stat weights are indeed correct, is that not wrong, and I should and have gemmed correctly Crit/Strength?

The online client isn't working for me as well, but only on Firefox (tried with deactivated Advertise Blocker too). It seems to be full functionable with GC or IE.


@Herrfugbaum

The easiest way to enter the correct stats is to import your armory via chardev.org, reset talents and add flask&bufffood (because it isn't implemented yet). You can identify the green AP value via RangedAP-Agility.

This is what I get for your gear:

SpellHit | 3
CritRating | 1,97
Haste | 1,78

Therefore you should go for Str/Hit, though I'm not sure if the Sim is right in here, to confirm it just try two different gear setups: one with crit ametrines, one with hit ametrines, and choose the more powerful DPS.

P.S.: Everytime you change gear, the EP values change. Because of this, normally one can't determine universal EP values. Especially with Frost I recommend to generate the EP values on your own.

The Cata simulator is giving me wildly inaccurate results for Unholy DPS (I have not tested frost yet).

Here is my character.
The World of Warcraft Armory - Elretardo @ Stonemaul - Profile

I'm using more or less the standard unholy spec, only difference is I dropped the 1 point in butchery so I could have my beloved chain death grip in PvP.

On the target dummy, self buffed only, my DPS ranges from 9100 to 9500, yet the sim predicts only ~5500:

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			TPS	Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	%
ScourgeStrike	767578150	19	175677	4369	125359	3398	68	50318	6790	27	9738	5	0	0	0	0	0
MainHand	667331709	16	283486	3151	125413	1916	42	86352	3832	29	15738	5	71721	1341	24	0	0
Ghoul	560169107	14	553956	1330	260672	833	47	160395	1658	29	0	0	132889	582	24	0	0
DeathCoil	464611101	11	124841	3722	91061	2930	73	33780	5856	27	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
ScourgeStrike+ScourgeStrikeMagical	298393874	7	175677	1698	175677	1698	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
BloodPlague	294013565	7	240171	1224	175278	965	73	64893	1925	27	0	0	0	0	0	0	99
FrostFever	293409729	7	239873	1223	175180	964	73	64693	1926	27	0	0	0	0	0	0	100
Ghoul: Claw	226660998	6	186047	1218	132267	1040	71	53780	1658	29	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
BloodStrike	216654812	5	68003	3186	48050	2465	67	19953	4923	28	3790	5	0	0	0	0	0
PlagueStrike	91965950	2	24466	3759	17365	2910	67	7101	5836	28	1381	5	0	0	0	0	0
IcyTouch	75844816	2	24480	3098	17738	2428	72	6742	4863	28	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gargoyle	65744325	2	22019	2986	22019	2986	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
UnholyBlight	46483428	1	124841	372	124841	0	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Army of the Dead	41556491	1	491040	85	466466	85	95	24574	80	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

DPS 5597(+/- 814)
Total Damage 4110.42m
RunicPower Total runic power used: 2876202 (2 wasted)
Threat Per Second 3786
Generated in 37.13 s
Template uh80
Priority Unholy
Presence Unholy
Sigil
RuneEnchant
Pet Calculation True


Today I did a 25N Saurfang as a benchmark for raid DPS. In this raid there was no windfury, no bloodlust, and my pet was dead for the last several seconds. But my DPS was about 15000. However, the sim predicts only about 11k, even with full raid buffs and debuffs (and yes, with the ICC buff set at 30):

WoL Parse: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Fully buffed simulator results for fight of equal duration:

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			TPS	Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	%
MainHand	1530115054	19	360447	5684	119272	3168	31	149907	6337	39	20403	5	91268	2218	24	0	0
ScourgeStrike	1367570637	17	179661	7612	109764	5482	58	69897	10956	37	10153	5	0	0	0	0	0
Ghoul	1334724404	17	705697	2490	258326	1436	37	277729	2858	39	678	0	169642	1002	24	0	0
DeathCoil	799501778	10	134150	5960	84562	4352	62	49588	8702	36	2398	2	0	0	0	0	0
ScourgeStrike+ScourgeStrikeMagical	547666450	7	179661	3048	179661	3048	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
BloodPlague	500886045	6	240322	2084	151535	1523	63	88787	3042	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	99
FrostFever	500100513	6	240256	2082	151640	1522	63	88616	3039	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	100
Ghoul: Claw	412345018	5	185884	2218	112949	1799	61	72935	2868	39	172	0	0	0	0	0	0
BloodStrike	380949200	5	69178	5507	41539	3938	57	27639	7864	38	3942	5	0	0	0	0	0
Gargoyle	190167572	2	47212	4028	42453	3659	88	4759	7322	10	851	2	0	0	0	0	0
PlagueStrike	160413305	2	24456	6559	14919	4713	58	9537	9448	37	1409	5	0	0	0	0	0
IcyTouch	124053957	2	24480	5068	15233	3676	61	9247	7360	37	432	2	0	0	0	0	0
UnholyBlight	79927138	1	134150	596	134150	0	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Army of the Dead	60785964	1	792968	77	713669	76	90	79299	86	10	760	0	0	0	0	0	0

DPS 10879(+/- 3331)
Total Damage 7989.21m
RunicPower Total runic power used: 2928590 (8 wasted)
Threat Per Second 7012
Generated in 37.24 s
Template uh80
Priority Unholy
Presence Unholy
Sigil
RuneEnchant
Pet Calculation True

I have the simulator configured to use unholy presence, the default Unholy.xml priority, NoIntro, and the default Scenario.xml.

Are other people seeing better closure between the sim and target dummy and raid parses?? Are these results due to a bug on my side or is this kind of behavior reproducible. Since people are already using this sim to produce tentative statweights and draw conclusions about different specs, I assume someone somewhere has some reasonable validation data...



Also, the ranges on the simulation results, especially the +/- 3000 in the fully buffed case, seem absurd. I suppose it is possible that one simulation trial maybe got 20 dodges in a row or something ridiculous like that, causing a low DPS number, and maybe another trial got runic corruption procs on every DC and/or a long crit streak...but if this is the case then the RNG range of the reported DPS really ought to be expressed as a standard deviation or variance statistic (or better yet, a histogram), rather than a simple min/max range. The way things presently are, it is impossible to get a meaningful idea of what kind of DPS variations can be expected in practice, which makes it impossible to determine whether or not a DPS delta is statistically significant (e.g. when evaluating stat/gear/spec changes)

If you're getting a 3k damage range, I can only assume you're doing something wrong. I can't find a way to get a gap that big, with any level of gear or with any spec. Generally speaking, the range is +- 10%, which is perfectly logical for RNG variance.

At any rate, the simulator does appear to be currently calculating the magical aspect of SS improperly... but after some testing, I can't find any rhyme or reason to it. Most of the time, it the magical portion hits for 40% of the physical portion. That's nothing more than .36 * 1.3 * 1.08, and that's what the sim assumes. Sometimes, however, it hits for seemingly random amounts like 63% - and it's not some odd anomaly, as it happens fairly often. Analyzing combat logs, I can't seem to link it to any sort of specific buff or what have you.

I'm at a loss as to what's going on there. Something strange.

Ghoul damage is absurdly off the mark; way too low. Likely something to do with how SI/DT are applied, but who knows. It should be over 50% higher than it is.

Aside from that, some small issues; ghoul scales with crit when it still doesn't (likely a bug), FF crits for 2x when it actually does 1.5x (likely a bug), and death coil's damage is too low (beats me why).

I'm sure the kinks will be worked out by Kahorie soon enough, and I can all but guarantee even once this is all fixed the order of stats won't actually change, anyways. How Unholy appears to perform compared to Frost may be currently misrepresented because of all this, but with the current Obliterate bug, that hardly even matters!

I remembered that with the 3.3 version of the sim, I had a similar problem with huge damage ranges (as much as +/- 9k!!) using the silverlight client, but not the hardclient.

Thinking this might have something to do with Silverlight, I tried repeating the raid buffed simulation in my last post on a different computer. All the conditions are the same, but this time I get 13.7kdps...I've tried multiple times and double checked all the settings are the same on both machines, but I consistently get very different results. The damage ranges are still very high, though.

Also, if you look at the simulator output in my last post, it looks like the sim never cast FeS! So that probably explains the very low DPS. I have no idea what could be causing this. I never modified the priority, and in any case the priority is identical between both machines. Does anyone have any idea what could possibly be causing this behavior.

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			TPS	Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	%
ScourgeStrike	1896749156	19	240538	7885	147271	5684	58	93267	11362	37	13500	5	0	0	0	0	0
MainHand	1731924676	17	372660	4648	219816	3296	56	152844	6592	39	21009	5	0	0	0	0	0
Ghoul	1612359788	16	729086	2212	444713	1597	61	284373	3172	39	717	0	0	0	0	0	0
DeathCoil	981599501	10	159406	6158	101104	4510	62	58302	9015	36	2768	2	0	0	0	0	0
ScourgeStrike+ScourgeStrikeMagical	780445388	8	240538	3245	240538	3245	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
FesteringStrike	628814660	6	59551	10559	36439	7610	58	23112	15208	37	3439	6	0	0	0	0	0
Gargoyle	529603568	5	128053	4136	115192	3758	88	12861	7521	10	2185	2	0	0	0	0	0
BloodPlague	519094976	5	241599	2149	152787	1573	63	88812	3139	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	103
FrostFever	513932348	5	240471	2137	152459	1566	63	88012	3127	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	102
Ghoul: Claw	488213335	5	185864	2627	113728	2266	61	72136	3195	39	191	0	0	0	0	0	0
UnholyBlight	98114285	1	159406	616	159406	0	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
PlagueStrike	85095253	1	12658	6723	7773	4848	58	4885	9705	37	701	5	0	0	0	0	0
Army of the Dead	67702203	1	911208	74	819238	73	90	91970	88	10	904	0	0	0	0	0	0
IcyTouch	64079066	1	12423	5158	7888	3782	62	4535	7552	36	222	2	0	0	0	0	0
BloodStrike	56154995	1	9906	5669	5945	4055	57	3961	8091	38	593	6	0	0	0	0	0

DPS 13690(+/- 4033)
Total Damage 10053.88m
RunicPower Total runic power used: 4034026 (1174 wasted)
Threat Per Second 8595
Generated in 24.31 s
Template uh
Priority Unholy
Presence Unholy
Sigil
RuneEnchant
Pet Calculation True

Thanks for pointing errors. It's easier for me to look into the thousand code lines where there could be a problem.

I don't have time to make a hot fix cause it's late here, but I have found that the coef of DC is 0.15xAP in the sim instead of 0.3. I don't see anything wrong with SS except that the overall damage is low. And it's maybe the default priority that make Festering Strike not cast enough. Maybe putting it higher in the prio would make the trick as it won't use a death rune, just pure blood/frost.

I have also to check in game if the AP/Str coef are correct for the ghoul. Your WWS claw is making 1/2 of your ghoul damage where mine is 1/3.
If someone can check what the AP to STR coef, base AP/Str of the ghoul, I could correct that tomorrow or it will wait until this weekend.

Pure speculation regarding scourge strike: The 62% SS magical is 40% expected x 1.5, which would indicate a sort of undocumented crit or mastery based random bonus. One option would be the Glyph of Scourge Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft. In the effect part of the spell there is a damage modifier and "Unknown Effect (Effect #0) Value: 9" where the Glyph of Obliterate - Spell - World of Warcraft just have the damage modifier.

Engineering tinkers now stack with normal enchants (just like how BS sockets stack with wrist and glove enchants), if you could add that to the next build it would be much appreciated.

A quick sim of my character showed the following:
I notice a few things that don't fit what I know about DKs here.
1) Hit Rating is given a higher value on the 'Hit Capped' scale than the non-capped scale.
2) Haste rating has 0 value. (Edit: whoops, make that no haste value in the scale-format output. The long-form feedback clearly lists one. I've been staring at numbers too long.)
3) Hit and Expertise are worth considerably less than Strength.


I hope this can help get things tuned in accuracy-wise. And if it's off because of some option I missed, feel free to let me know.
Character - Seraphel, Stonemaul US (I know my gear's shabby, I just started this DPS set.)
(Edit: Wow, I don't know what's up with Armory's version of me. Here's a Wowhead profile.
Profiler - Wowhead)

Hi had a quick question about the sim itself i tryed using the new cata version and i cant seem to get it to report for some reason the error msg i keep getting in my console is as follow

SCRIPT5022: Unhandled Error in Silverlight Application [IsolatedStorage_DeleteFile]
Arguments:
Debugging resource strings are unavailable. Often the key and arguments provide sufficient information to diagnose the problem. See Resources - Silverlight DLL Resources | Microsoft Silverlight at System.IO.IsolatedStorage.IsolatedStorageFile.DeleteFile(String file)
at DKSIMVB.MainForm.CleanAndDeleteFolder(String Path)
at DKSIMVB.MainForm.CleanAndDeleteFolder(String Path)
at DKSIMVB.MainForm.CleanUp()
at DKSIMVB.MainForm._Lambda$__69(Object a0, RoutedEventArgs a1)
at System.Windows.Controls.Primitives.ButtonBase.OnClick()
at System.Windows.Controls.Button.OnClick()
at System.Windows.Controls.Primitives.ButtonBase.OnMouseLeftButtonUp(MouseButtonEventArg s e)
at System.Windows.Controls.Control.OnMouseLeftButtonUp(Control ctrl, EventArgs e)
at MS.Internal.JoltHelper.FireEvent(IntPtr unmanagedObj, IntPtr unmanagedObjArgs, Int32 argsTypeIndex, Int32 actualArgsTypeIndex, String eventName)
was wondering if anybody else was getting the same problem? is silverlight or just the sim it self. Any help would be appricated

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			TPS	Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	%
Obliterate	236241953	20	12185	19388	3329	11020	27	8856	22533	72	36	0	0	0	0	6803	0
Obliterate(OH)	148086843	12	12221	12117	3303	6873	27	8918	14060	73	0	0	0	0	0	4265	0

Simmed with full 264 gear, full raid buffs/debuffs. Str food/AP flask. ICC buff set to 30%.

Just noticed that the headers don't match up, guess that's a bug. Oblit MH average hit is 11020, crit 22533. OH hit 6873 crit 16309.

Those numbers do not match up with what I've seen on my own world of logs parses, or even parses of players in 277 gear. I cannot figure out why the simulator says my obliterates should be hitting way harder than they do. On tonight's saurfang, my average oblit hit for 8.86k and crit for 18.35k.

Looking in obliterate.vb I found
19: BaseDamage = 584 * 160 / 100
22: Coeficient = 1.6

Which does not match the in-game tooltip of 280% + 3293. Of course, that would make my obliterates sim for less, not more. So, what am I missing?

Glyph of Obliterate is now 20%. Also, I tried swapping out that Glyph and my tool-tip was unaffected.

24: If sim.Character.Glyph("Obliterate") Then Multiplicator = Multiplicator * 1.25

That should be 1.2, yeah, missed that when I looked over the code earlier.

Thanks for your help

I don't know if this has been mentioned but racial expertise (orcs) isn't +5 anymore, it's +3. Also, have you looked into the possibility of the lowered exp cap?

Just used the online version now. DK unholy talent Contagion is incorrect, it is 2 points. Sim has it as 3 points.

I just ran the talent EP for my Unholy using the Silverlight client, and it gave 0 value to Dark Transformation, and a negative value for Epidemic. Dark Transformation is also not available in priority builder. This suggests that the simulation is not popping Dark Transformation.

I've seen a lot of people mentioning their ghouls dying and whatnot. Wouldn't it be a better dps choice in the long run to shoot a DC at your ghoul when it starts to get to low hp when the free one procs, rather than letting the ghoul die? I can't remember if you still get a transformation charge from it if you heal it with DC, but if it's free you aren't expending RP, and you can still use the saved RP to DC the target in case you don't, so while you might lose out a little on immediate DPS, you'd gain more in the long run from keeping your ghoul alive?

Hello Afabar,

There seems to be something wrong with melee attacks for DW. I'm getting about 50% miss on mainhand and offhand melee attacks in the reports and it shouldn't be that high. I don't think it is factoring in Nerves of Cold Steel talent.

With the following stat summary:
Hit rating (5.40%) 166
Expertise Rating (22.88) 176

Mainhand Hits: 65,704
Mainhand miss: 53,974
Offhand Hits: 65,656
Offhand miss: 53,865

The special attacks are around 1% miss so I'm not worried about those, but the mainhand/offhand miss % is very high. With these same specs ingame (WoL) I'm seeing around 20% which is what the tooltip shows also.

If I manually set the hit rating to 8% (246) I see what we should see with 5% and Nerves of Cold Steel.
Mainhand Hit: 73054
Mainhand Miss: 46745
Offhand Hit: 72,996
Offhand Miss: 46,645

Finaly, if I set the expertise manually to 26 (200) and hit rating to 8% (246) I see what we should actually see in game with expertise 22 (169) and hit 5% (154).
Mainhand Hit: 75,249
Mainhand Miss: 44,596
Offhand Hit: 75,182
Offhand Miss: 44,461


Thanks for all your hard work, it is greatly appreciated.

-MK

I didn't updated the sim for expertise "bug", but I think you didn't take into account crit and glance in your number, that are not merged in the "hit" column.

The sim have now a Reforge Optimizer.

How to use it?
- Go to the EP tab.
- Fill with your EP value.
- Click on optimize.
- Wait for the progress bar to be filled.

Some more instructions are on the tabs.

What is not included in the optimizer and will be added by priority order:
- Do not save the EP Values.
- Do not update the EP Value when you generate EP from the sim.
- Is not able to optimize Gems and Enchants.

I have no plan to add a function to generate BiS. I will may add it one day but it's a long and hard work I don't have time to.

I'm getting some unexpected results with the new reforging tool as unholy. It is reporting that I should forge off crit on my helm / shoulder / cape / chest and weapon and replace it with mastery. In addition it is suggesting that I forge off crit on my sigil / ring legs and belt in favor of expertise. I readily accept that I am very possibly over the ideal haste value on live currently so it actually makes sense that I should forge on expertise but crit for mastery?

EP AttackPower 1 (0.74 DPS/per AP)
EP Strength 4.57
EP Agility 1.27
EP CritRating 2.57
EP MasteryRating 1
EP HasteRating 4.24
EP ExpertiseRating 3.36
Personal Expertise value 0
Before Melee Hit Cap 6.05
EP SpellHitRating 2.19
EP WeaponDPS 7.97
EP WeaponSpeed 635.14

For the Crit to Mastery, I think that it's some rest of your previous character that the optimizer did not clean when applying result. Because my optimization using your character leave it blank. I will correct that.

For the expertise, I don't see any issue. On the sigil there is haste and crit. If Expertise has an higher value before cap this is logical to reforge the crit to expertise until the cap.

Regarding Frost priorities -

I get a dps increase when I prioritize Howling Blast just above Blood Strike, which leads me to believe that in certain situations, the sim uses death runes on Blood Strike. Perhaps this occurs when a single death rune is the only rune off CD and Blood Strike is the only single rune attack listed in the priority.