Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 44

Sebu63 · 12/21/09, 4:20 AM

I did several tests at the Target Dummy.
(Used a Logitech G15 Key Macro)

Tests with a 10 sec rotation and the Pestilence Glyph.
Pest hit 2 targets.

Pestilence every 10 seconds
sec tick diff one Target
300 180 180 90
600 361 181 91

Pestilence every 9,5 seconds
sec tick diff one target
300 185 185 93
600 374 189 95
900 564 190 95
1200 751 187 94
1500 942 191 96

Pestilence every 7,5 seconds
sec tick diff one target
300 174 174 87
600 349 175 88

Unfortunately Pestilence wasn't shown my recount report.
and it is possible that the G15 macro timing isn't perfect.
So maybe there is some aberrance in the timing.

But if Pestilence with Glyph Of Disease wouldn't refresh the disease tick timer,
all tests should show equal results.

Afabar · 12/21/09, 5:05 AM

Interesting report. Obviously you should expect 100 tick on a 300 second fight. I will make some testing on my side and will correct this.

Afabar · 12/21/09, 10:38 AM

1.1.8.5 Release notes
* Deathbringers Will 3rd proc on frost spec is ArP
* Bryntroll proc implemented
* Armor increase of Unbreakable Armor implemented
* Some tweak with Blood Tap + BoneShield/UA

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.1.8.5

maui · 12/23/09, 11:37 PM

Does this simulation include the Ashen Verdict ring's proc? I am new to this and am looking for it but do not see it anywhere for an option. Thanks

Fugazor · 12/24/09, 3:02 PM

If there is no option it is not included. I am sure it is easy to do if you give precise data about proc: duration, amount and internal CD.

Haldi · 12/27/09, 12:31 AM

I'm noticing some weird behavior with GoD as well, but it seems to have to do with the priority system, and doesn't happen in rotations.

I'm simming for unholy spec, and when I run the normal unholy queue that ships with the program, I get considerably fewer death coils from the resulting rotation (roughly 7%) than if no glyph is used in that slot. I originally chalked it up to the difference in RP gain from the inclusion of dirge-boosted PS, but when I went back and input what amounts to the rotation version of the original GoD priority queue (PSx2, BS, Pest, DCx2), the DC values jumped back up near the expected values, even going a little over. Can anyone explain this discrepancy? Am I just thinking about it wrong?

Priority System Results w/ GoD:

Ability| Total| %| Landed| Hit%| Crit%| Miss%| Average|
MainHand| 493920637| 20.1| 136377| 63.2| 36.8| 0| 3621.7|
ScourgeStrikeMagical| 289895184| 11.8| 71999| 100| 0| 0| 4026.4|
Ghoul| 287637984| 11.7| 328961| 86.9| 13.1| 0| 874.4|
ScourgeStrike| 286549748| 11.6| 71999| 47.9| 52.1| 0| 3979.9|
DeathCoil| 221190692| 9| 50882| 63.3| 36.7| 0| 4347.1|
BloodPlague| 210195777| 8.5| 119999| 62.9| 37.1| 0| 1751.6|
FrostFever| 180876968| 7.3| 119999| 100| 0| 0| 1507.3|
Gargoyle| 114451279| 4.6| 30722| 87.5| 12.5| 0| 3725.4|
BloodStrike| 109750875| 4.5| 35422| 53.8| 46.2| 0| 3098.4|
WanderingPlague| 105440904| 4.3| 64689| 100| 0| 0| 1630|
BloodCakedBlade| 80557624| 3.3| 40935| 100| 0| 0| 1967.9|
Necrosis| 59285180| 2.4| 136377| 100| 0| 0| 434.7|
UnholyBlight| 22113277| 0.9| 50882| 100| 0| 0| 434.6|
PlagueStrike| 3963 | 0| 1| 0| 100| 0| 3963|
IcyTouch| 3165 | 0| 1| 0| 100| 0| 3165|
Horn| 0 | 0| 44| 100| 0| 0| 0|
Pestilence| 0 | 0| 18004| 100| 0| 0| 0|
BoneShield| 0 | 0| 1199| 100| 0| 0| 0|
BloodTap| 0 | 0| 600| 100| 0| 0| 0|
DPS 6839
Total Damage 2461.87m in 100h

Priority Results w/o GoD:
Ability| Total| %| Landed| Hit%| Crit%| Miss%| Average|
MainHand| 496510943| 20| 136377| 63.2| 36.8| 0| 3640.7|
Ghoul| 288894511| 11.7| 328961| 87| 13| 0| 878.2|
DeathCoil| 236841254| 9.6| 54456| 63.3| 36.7| 0| 4349.2|
ScourgeStrikeMagical| 203291716| 8.2| 50457| 100| 0| 0| 4029|
ScourgeStrike| 200991898| 8.1| 50457| 48| 52| 0| 3983.4|
BloodStrike| 199350077| 8| 64050| 53.9| 46.1| 0| 3112.4|
BloodPlague| 185959907| 7.5| 108686| 63| 37| 0| 1711|
FrostFever| 163880425| 6.6| 108871| 100| 0| 0| 1505.3|
Gargoyle| 128777223| 5.2| 34044| 86.9| 13.1| 0| 3782.7|
WanderingPlague| 96898313| 3.9| 60060| 100| 0| 0| 1613.4|
BloodCakedBlade| 79723407| 3.2| 40935| 100| 0| 0| 1947.6|
PlagueStrike| 64010914| 2.6| 18493| 57.1| 42.9| 0| 3461.4|
Necrosis| 59594950| 2.4| 136377| 100| 0| 0| 437|
IcyTouch| 48544104| 2| 19325| 63.1| 36.9| 0| 2512|
UnholyBlight| 23677391| 1| 54456| 100| 0| 0| 434.8|
Horn| 0 | 0| 912| 100| 0| 0| 0|
Pestilence| 0 | 0| 1| 100| 0| 0| 0|
BoneShield| 0 | 0| 1186| 100| 0| 0| 0|
BloodTap| 0 | 0| 1100| 100| 0| 0| 0|
DPS 6880
Total Damage 2476.95m in 100h

Rotation Results (PS>BS>Pest>PS>DC>DC):
Ability| Total| %| Landed| Hit%| Crit%| Miss%| Average|
MainHand| 494603941| 19.8| 136377| 63.2| 36.8| 0| 3626.7|
ScourgeStrikeMagical| 290507320| 11.6| 71999| 100| 0| 0| 4034.9|
Ghoul| 287629117| 11.5| 328961| 87| 13| 0| 874.4|
ScourgeStrike| 287152196| 11.5| 71999| 47.9| 52.1| 0| 3988.3|
DeathCoil| 239149179| 9.6| 55032| 63.3| 36.7| 0| 4345.6|
BloodPlague| 211004910| 8.4| 119999| 62.9| 37.1| 0| 1758.4|
FrostFever| 181932709| 7.3| 119999| 100| 0| 0| 1516.1|
Gargoyle| 128966380| 5.2| 34303| 87.2| 12.8| 0| 3759.6|
BloodStrike| 108938905| 4.4| 34801| 53.8| 46.2| 0| 3130.3|
WanderingPlague| 105922698| 4.2| 64689| 100| 0| 0| 1637.4|
BloodCakedBlade| 80676037| 3.2| 40935| 100| 0| 0| 1970.8|
Necrosis| 59366769| 2.4| 136377| 100| 0| 0| 435.3|
UnholyBlight| 23908172| 1| 55032| 100| 0| 0| 434.4|
PlagueStrike| 3963 | 0| 1| 0| 100| 0| 3963|
IcyTouch| 3165 | 0| 1| 0| 100| 0| 3165|
Pestilence| 0 | 0| 36000| 100| 0| 0| 0|
BoneShield| 0 | 0| 1199| 100| 0| 0| 0|
BloodTap| 0 | 0| 1199| 100| 0| 0| 0|
DPS 6944
Total Damage 2499.77m in 100h

evilhacker · 12/29/09, 12:24 AM

I just ran into a minor problem with the character editor. If you create a new character from scratch using a 2hand weapon, it does not populate the offhand attributes correctly which in turn causes the application to crash on Windows 7. To work around it, you can just modify the xml file by hand and replace the offhand section with 0 for DPS and speed. Just change:

<offhand>
<dps>
</dps>
<speed>
</speed>
</offhand>

to:
<offhand>
<dps>0</dps>
<speed>0</speed>
</offhand>

and it works.

Afabar · 12/29/09, 9:57 AM

I would like to make a little preview of what I'm currently working on for the next release. I want to make the report closer to what WOL give us. As you can see, Mainhand strike are separated from offhand strike, proc uptime is also added.

If you have any comments or want some more information to be added, don't hesitate.

Ability	Damage done			hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
MainHand	6494208	20,1	4789,2	821	60,5	2962,3	535	39,5	7592,8
Ghoul	4137288	12,8	1243,9	2896	87,1	1117,6	430	12,9	2094,7	0	0
DeathCoil	3537873	10,9	6272,8	344	61	4409,1	220	39	9187
Gargoyle	2662590	8,2	5547,1	412	85,8	4839,3	68	14,2	9835,4	0	0
BloodStrike	2648673	8,2	3816,5	359	51,7	2550,4	335	48,3	5173,4
BloodPlague	2409106	7,5	2279,2	653	61,8	1614,1	404	38,2	3354,2
FrostFever	2030279	6,3	1942,9	1045	100	1942,9
ScourgeStrike	1761532	5,4	4893,1	160	44,4	2785,3	200	55,6	6579,4
PlagueStrike	1516852	4,7	4346,3	196	56,2	2711,2	153	43,8	6440,9
WanderingPlague	1336968	4,1	2115,5	632	100
Necrosis	1298995	4	958	1356	100
IcyTouch	1089629	3,4	3122,1	223	63,9	2248,5	126	36,1	4668,4
BloodCakedBlade	1046915	3,2	2534,9	413	100	2534,9
UnholyBlight	353831	1,1	627,4	564	100
DeathChoice				84	100							34,7
DeathChoiceHeroic				84	100							34,7
Virulence				307	100							97,3
T92PDPS				69	100							28,6
MHFallenCrusader				338	100							85,9
DPS	8979
Total Damage	32,32m	in 1h
Threat Per Second	4308
Generated in	0s
Template:	17-00-54
Priority:	Unholy
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

Ability	Damage done			hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
FrostStrike	6055717	19,2	8010,2	162	21,4	3664,2	594	78,6	9195,5
MainHand	4469343	14,2	2613,7	1088	55,7	1607,1	622	31,8	4374,4	243	12,4
Obliterate	3726410	11,8	5545,3	290	43,2	2966,1	382	56,8	7503,2
FrostStrike	3283889	10,4	4343,8	220	29,1	2092,3	536	70,9	5267,9
OffHand	2636194	8,4	1497,8	1124	57,6	919	636	32,6	2520,9	193	9,9
Obliterate	2138571	6,8	3182,4	290	43,2	1701,1	382	56,8	4306,9
BloodPlague	2104357	6,7	1939,5	732	67,5	1447,7	353	32,5	2959,3
FrostFever	2042432	6,5	1880,7	1086	100	1880,7
HowlingBlast	1965877	6,2	12765,4	13	8,4	5581,9	141	91,6	13427,7
IcyTouch	1020020	3,2	5543,6	56	30,4	3097,8	128	69,6	6613,6
BloodStrike	832002	2,6	2960,9	155	55,2	1743,9	126	44,8	4457,9
BloodStrike	475094	1,5	1690,7	155	55,2	997,2	126	44,8	2543,8
PlagueStrike	373323	1,2	2028,9	114	62	1341,3	70	38	3148,8
PlagueStrike	214264	,7	1164,5	114	62	767,8	70	38	1810,5
Ghoul	123706	0,4	140,3	770	87,3	126,3	112	12,7	236	0	0
Off Hand RazorIce	58993	,2	11	5363	100	11
Horn				3	100
BloodTap				57	100
UnbreakableArmor				57	100
DeathChoice				78	100							32,5
DeathChoiceHeroic				78	100							32,5
Off Hand RazorIce	58993	,2	11	5363	100	11
KillingMachine				1082	100							101,5
Rime				171	100							93,6
Virulence				1123	100							100,3
T92PDPS				58	100							24,2
OHRazorIce
MHFallenCrusader				276	100							78,7
DPS	8756
Total Damage	31,52m	in 1h
Threat Per Second	5287
Generated in	1s
Template:	10-54-7
Priority:	Frost2
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader /	Razorice
Pet Calculation:	True

slant · 12/30/09, 1:35 PM

I'm looking forward to the proc uptime enhancement. Great stuff. Some thoughts:

1) I would like the option to combine mainhand/offhand strikes and physical/shadow scourge strike damage. While it's often useful to separate this information, when comparing specs across multiple runs it can be extra work to add them up.

2) More descriptive labels. Examples:

FrostStrike(MH)
ScourgeStrike(Shadow)
BloodStrike(Cleave)

3) It would be great to see simulated PPM numbers for various abilities as well. Most of these aren't particularly interesting with instant procs and 45s ICDs, but the Bryntroll and Last Word (for tanking) procs are notable exceptions.

4) Any chance of fixing the talent import to work with the new MMO champion URL format?

GravityDK · 01/01/10, 6:30 AM

Originally Posted by GravityDK

OK next thing, is that Frost, dual-wield, frost presence, the simulations appear to not use Threat of Thassarian on the rune strikes. They're coming out as doing about less than half the damage of a two-handed Frost sim (with otherwise no changes). The obliterates and other strikes look good.

Just re-iterating that this bug remains.

I like the new WoL format you've got in the next version, too.

Afabar · 01/01/10, 6:34 PM

1.2 Release notes
* DPS Value for talents. Check Template Editor tab.
* Prio/Rotation Editor a lot more user friendly
* Better reporting.
* Option to merge or not in the report Main Hand/Off hand Strikes, Scourge strike...
* Option to add a title to the report.
* Correction on Killing machine that would proc too much since 1.1.8.4
* New option tell the sim to keep Blood Runes synchronized.
* EP Calculation: Hit and expertise are modified only to calculate their respective value.
* Hyperspeed Accelerators and Ashen Verdict proc implemented
* The sim should no more crash if no intro is selected.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.2.0.0

Concerning MMO-champ import, I have already tried to make something that works with their new encoding. After analize, I have conclude that it would be easier to me to make one inside the sim.
The Rune strike with ToT should be ok in this version.

I would also like to thanks everyone for their support as the sim has been downloaded more than 30.000 times since its creation.

slant · 01/01/10, 8:02 PM

The new talent tool calculates necrosis to be higher value (170) than blood-caked blade (132) for my character. But when I run a simulation with the exact same configuration, 1 point in necrosis is 0.8% of my damage while 3 points in blood-caked blade is 3%. Is this a bug, or am I misunderstanding what these numbers mean?

There are several other talents with weirdly calculated values as well. It says scourge strike is only worth 109DPS, desolation 22DPS, and so on. The numbers don't make sense.

Afabar · 01/01/10, 9:46 PM

I think I have found where your weird number came from, something with the RNG that is not the same for the first sim and the others. I will correct that.

Bllets · 01/01/10, 10:15 PM

I think there is some issues with haste and/or weapon damage in the simulator.

Every simulation has been done with 4pt9 and with stats being the following "2015 str / 322 agi / 591 ap / 541 ArP / 819 crit / 274 hit / 232 exp / Greatness+DW", Spec has been Unholy without reaping taking from the Unholy thread, same with the rotation. Speed of weapon is 3.5 all the time

Weapon Damage / Haste	0	100	150	200
255.7	1.12	1.63	2.50	2.13
267.3	4.78	0.92	1.81	1.05
294.7	2.41	1.87	2.23	2.43

Now I remember reading haste is a difficult one, and it's pretty crazy to sim when there is 0 of it. But even if we ignore the 0 value, there is something odd going on at 267.3.

I were trying to figure out if to use haste over example ArP, as it may be better according to new Sims in the Unholy Thread, and discovered that the haste EP values i were getting as i went up in haste seemed strange. Here's a chart to display my findings. The chart is with the 267.3 weapon (Weapon)

I ran every simulation twice to be sure that the Sim was sure, and it was every time.

Every simulation was done with 100 hours, because 1000 hours takes forever on this "old" piece. But to be sure i ran the table above in a shortened version with 1000 hours and got the following numbers:

Weapon Damage / Haste	0	100	200
255.7	0.78	1.77	2.10
267.3	4.24	1.23	1.08
294.7	2.24	1.73	2.62

It may just be me who is forgetting my haste information, if so then my apologies.

P.S. This was done with the 1.1.8.5, since 1.2 was released while i were writing/testing this. But i didn't notice anything mentioned regarding haste or weapon damage.

Cemantics · 01/01/10, 10:50 PM

Just started using the sim tool today and everything is working fine(surprised by the similarities on recorded boss fights)

One thing if i may ask..how do i change the rotation of UH reapingless? I tried creating my own, but i get an Unhandled Exception error and i cant save it. Also if itry to change the existing I can't reuse or i get teh same error.