Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 45

Pulz · 01/02/10, 4:21 AM

I am getting some strange results in 1.2.0.0 compared to 1.1.8.5

When I enter my stats, rotation and talents in both (unholy 2-t9 2-t10 reaping rotation) and run the sim set to same latency and runtime I get very diffrent results. The estimated DPS drops about 400 in the new version, and when running the EP values expertise goes from 0.88 in 1.8.5.0 to 3.18 (above Str, just beaten by hit before 8%) in 1.2.0.0
No Bryntroll by the way. Sim is set to 200h.

Str, haste, ArP, crit, Agi remain about the same but hit increases by about 1% in 1.2.0.0

I been at it for a couple of hours now and I just can not get a grip on what is happening and what numbers to trust.
The rotation I entered as ps-it-bs-bs-ss-dc-horn-ss-dc-ss-ss-dc-dc and dc+horn set to not retry, everything else retry.

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Afabar · 01/02/10, 6:54 AM

1.2.0.1 Release notes
* DPS Value for talents correction.
* Option to merge in the report should work correctly.
* Magical Scourge strike appears as crit if orginal strike is crit.
* Scourge strike calculation was not correct in the 1.2 release.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.2.0.1

I will check with the new report if I see something obvious with haste, but on a first sight, it look related to proc uptime and disease clipping.

Bllets · 01/02/10, 9:30 AM

I will check with the new report if I see something obvious with haste, but on a first sight, it look related to proc uptime and disease clipping.

A specific weapon damage shouldn't have any effects at all on proc uptime and disease clipping?

I mean it can explain the difference I'm seeing with haste as i go up. But i can't see it explaining such a difference when just changing weapon damage.

Afabar · 01/02/10, 10:25 AM

I agree that weapon damage should not create a big variation of haste value.

However, regarding haste, I'm noticing that Gargoyle damage can vary a lot between simulation just by change haste value by a small value. I can see a 50 dps variation on it just by changing 5 haste. It look like the sim should track more than Fallen Crusader proc before casting it.

edit: I can't reproduce your strange result about Weapon DPS Versus Haste. I just have a little variation (+- 0.5)

Bllets · 01/02/10, 12:19 PM

Redoing the table now in 1.2.0.1 with my own stats:

Spec: 17/0/54
Rotation: PS-IT-BS-SS-BS-DC-DC - SS-BS-SS-BS-DC-DC
Intro: No Intro
Presence: Blood
Rune Enchant: Fallen Crusader
Pet Calculation: True
Sigil: Virulence
Weapon Speed: 3.5
Stats: 1864 STR / 328 agi / 14897 armor / 600 AP / 278 Hit / 823 Crit / 541 ArP / 232 ExP / Greatness+DW / 3% crit damage / Orc Racial + Expertise bonus / 2pt9 + 4pt9

Weapon damage/Haste	0	100	150	200
255.7	0,81	1,19	0,84	1,57
267.3	3,56	0,55	0,34	0,50
294.7	1,68	1,28	0,09	2,03

I'll try to dig more into if i can see what's causing this. But as of now i can still reproduce the numbers in 1.2.0.1

Edit: I found the issue, it was me!

I somehow managed to run simulations for 6-7 hours without noticing i had written weapon dps in weapon speed and the other way around.

The numbers are making sense now.

slant · 01/02/10, 12:27 PM

Testing with 1.2.0.1, I'm still getting some odd values for talents. Two that jump out are:

Scourge strike: 0 DPS (Sims at 20.5% of my damage)
Bone shield: 24 DPS (2% flat damage increase should be more like 167DPS)

gfurious · 01/02/10, 12:31 PM

I have also noticed a DPS loss in 1.2.0.1 and it seems like the sim is not adding up the total damage correctly.

Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
MainHand	586112396	19	139501	4201.5	83793	60.1	2583.8	55708	39.9	6634.7
Ghoul	390095163	12.7	327359	1191.6	284733	87	1071.7	42626	13	1993	0	0
DeathCoil	305151372	9.9	56909	5362.1	34166	60	3765.4	22743	40	7760.8
BloodStrike	250605878	8.1	70340	3562.8	35638	50.7	2339.1	34702	49.3	4819.4
ScourgeStrikeMagical	245805689	8	53649	4581.7	24030	44.8	2602.6	29619	55.2	6187.5
ScourgeStrike	242967044	7.9	53649	4528.8	24030	44.8	2572.7	29619	55.2	6115.8
BloodPlague	228822067	7.4	108272	2113.4	64712	59.8	1482	43560	40.2	3051.4
FrostFever	192250819	6.2	108271	1775.6	108271	100	1775.6
Gargoyle	148854604	4.8	33389	4458.2	29066	87.1	3946.4	4323	12.9	7899.1	0	0
WanderingPlague	123526328	4	63245	1953.1	63245	100
Necrosis	117209865	3.8	139501	840.2	139501	100
BloodCakedBlade	92918179	3	41879	2218.7	41879	100	2218.7
PlagueStrike	73245571	2.4	17883	4095.8	9576	53.5	2496.3	8307	46.5	5939.7
IcyTouch	53074110	1.7	17883	2967.9	10703	59.9	2083.1	7180	40.1	4286.7
UnholyBlight	30521882	1	56909	536.3	56909	100
Horn			3570		3570	100
BoneShield			1192		1192	100
BloodTap			1108		1108	100
Bryntroll	172980319	5.6	51337	3369.5	51337	100	3369.5
AshenBand			6427		6427	100							17.9
Greatness			7636		7636	100							31.8
NeedleEncrustedScorpion			5306		5306	100							14.7
Virulence			45558		45558	100							99.6
T92PDPS			6682		6682	100							27.8
MHFallenCrusader			36654		36654	100							87.9
OrcRacial			2992		2992	100							12.5
DPS	8559
Total Damage	3081.16m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	4291
Generated in	19s
Template:	Unholy 17-00-54
Rotation:	Unholy-ReapingLess
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

The sim reports the total damage as 3081.16m. However if you add up the damage it's actually 3,254,141,286. That equates to 9039 DPS.

Afabar · 01/02/10, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by slant

Testing with 1.2.0.1, I'm still getting some odd values for talents. Two that jump out are:

Scourge strike: 0 DPS (Sims at 20.5% of my damage)
Bone shield: 24 DPS (2% flat damage increase should be more like 167DPS)

In fact for some talented attack like Scourge strike and Heart strike, the sim don't read the template to check if the character took this talent, so a zero value it absolutely correct for the sim. But regarding Bone Shield, how did you set up the bone shield usage:After Blood Strike or instead of? Set a 300s fight, like that BS is not recast in fight and I get a higher value.

On the subject, some talents like cryptic fever or Ebon Plaguebringer don't have a correct value because as the sim is calculating it just remove the point of this specific talent but not for the linked one. So in every cases there will always be a 3rd disease.

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It look like proc damages are not accounted in the report. It should be easy to correct.

slant · 01/02/10, 6:39 PM

I set it to cast bone shield after blood strike. Does that force it to refresh every minute, even if the shield is still up? That could account for the discrepancy.

I just ran 3 sims.

a) Cast after BS/BB: 8309 DPS, 1173 bone shields, 1173 blood taps
b) Cast instead of BS: 8417 DPS, 1198 bone shields, 1198 blood taps
c) Many 300s fights: 8516 DPS, 0 bone shields, 0 blood taps

Why does case B sim better than A? I would expect that in case A after bone shield runs out I use my death/blood runes then blood tap/bone shield. That should be the ideal usage pattern, and matches how I actually play.

I originally calculated boneshield value under case A. Under cases B/C it's a much more reasonable ~1.5% of my DPS.

Afabar · 01/02/10, 7:01 PM

No, the sim wait for the buff to fall to refresh it. For a 100hour fight, that 1200 segment of 5 min, so it's correct for the B case. I guess in rotation mode, the blood taped rune become desynchronized by a GCD and make a DPS loss as the sim wait a few second plus the fact that it don't have a 100% uptime. I will check the later.

Edit: New release

1.2.0.2 Release notes
* Correction on Priority editor.
* Weapon Dps scaling option added.
* Better Bone shield/UA usage when used after BloodStrike
* New buff: Frost Fever/Blood Plague from another deathknight.
* New Priority "FadeRime" to cast HB when Rime buff is about to fade.
* Haste EP Calculation: Calculation will take longer due to the the sim calculating at multiple value of haste to have more consistent value.
* Option Wait for FC modification: The flag will trigger when the AP of the character is greater than 80% of the maximum possible AP.
* Report DPS should contain back damaging proc.

Kahorie's DK Simulator 1.2.0.2

GravityDK · 01/02/10, 11:30 PM

Thanks for the continued work.

Can I verify that, the only thing I need to change when upgrading is to copy the .exe file from the new version? That lets me keep all my old files and settings easily.

Edit: I also needed to copy the new Images folder, since it has new items for the rotation editor. It looks great, nice work!

dr_AllCOM3 · 01/02/10, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by GravityDK

Can I verify that, the only thing I need to change when upgrading is to copy the .exe file from the new version? That lets me keep all my old files and settings easily.

Yes, but maybe your old files will break due to new settings. You'll notice when that's the case

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GravityDK · 01/02/10, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

* New Priority "FadeRime" to cast HB when Rime buff is about to fade.

I can't find this option in the priority editor.

nerdfuel · 01/03/10, 4:23 AM

Would it be possible to add the ability to remove a weapon proc from the character without having to go in the text editor? Would it also be possible to incorporate the EP bars into one bar and then put that bar on the sim instead of having them float on top of the other things running, or at the least the former?

Originally Posted by GravityDK

I can't find this option in the priority editor.

I'm able to find this setting at the bottom of the list, with no icon. Do you think you can't see it due to something you didn't copy over when updating the sim, assuming you did what you previously stated?

Afabar · 01/03/10, 6:51 AM

Copy the config folder in the new release. To make sure you don't miss anything you should at least open each character file in the char editor and just click on save. It will add the new items.

Originally Posted by nerdfuel

Would it be possible to add the ability to remove a weapon proc from the character without having to go in the text editor? Would it also be possible to incorporate the EP bars into one bar and then put that bar on the sim instead of having them float on top of the other things running, or at the least the former?

To remove a proc or a trinket in the char editor, just select the text in the combo box and remove it.
I'm still looking for a way to merge progress bar but due to multi-threading it seems not possible. I'm still looking for a walk-around