Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 47

Saranrap · 02/02/11, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Velk

that would be perfectly normal if the amount of mastery is larger than the amount of EXPERTISE. For example 100 mastery to haste is obviously better than 10 expertise to 10 haste for almost any value of mastery/expertise. With close values the required gap is pretty small.

Nope 228 of each: [Akirus the Worm-Breaker].
Yet it reforged from Expertise. Also, fix'd.

• sp00n · 02/05/11, 7:46 AM

I'm seeing some weird results with Frost DW and haste/Unholy presence.

First, I posted in the Frost thread that for my gear, haste seems to scale better than crit. Then I've read two posts that stated that switching to Unholy presence was a DPS increase according to the simulator, which I tried and proved true for me as well (around +250 DPS compared to Frost presence with dual wield and 4.0.3 settings).

Also, stat scaling in Unholy presence even favors haste more than in Frost:

Now, is this expected behaviour or some sort of bug? Does it truely carry over into real game DPS?

Settings I used for this specific graph:

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Zynus · 02/15/11, 5:58 AM

Hi everyone,

First excuse me for my bad school english.

Can everyone explane me all settings for "Kahorie's DK simulator" in german in a Private Messages.

I have with "Kahorie's DK simulator" a fewer dps as with "simcraft" and i mean the settings are wrong.

thx

EwokChilli · 02/15/11, 10:37 AM

I dug around as best I could, but is Kahorie's still using Blood Strike on Death Runes? Certain outcomes as far as % dps by abilities just isn't panning out compared to what you would see on WoW Meters Online. Also, the sim is putting a way above average weight on frost strike as % damage compared to oblit as % damage. Usually in actual execution, Oblit is weighing in at about 30-31% of my dps and frost strike is at 28-30% of my dps, not 23% and 42% respectively.

Should I just take the numbers with a grain of salt and think of it as a useful tool for comparing stat weights and leave it at that?

Cabal · 02/17/11, 7:58 AM

There seems to be some kind of problem, when I switch from my current weapon [Shalug'doom, the Axe of Unmaking] (359 weapon) to [Akirus the Worm-Breaker] (372) the dps calculated is exactly the same. In fact. even with a ilvl 300 weapon it remains the same.

EwokChilli · 02/17/11, 11:06 AM

How do I take into account using the Herbalism Lifeblood Haste bonus?

Why is Epidemic giving me a -34 EP value? Is putting points into Epidemic somehow making my dps go down?

kc0716 · 02/18/11, 4:59 PM

Hey Kahorie. Is it possible to add the new Alchemy trinkets?

Bobfred21 · 02/25/11, 1:47 AM

I'm seeing some strangeness in the sim. All simulations were done with the following gear set:
Kayfas @ Lothar - Game - World of Warcraft

First Sim, 2H unholy:
DPS 18500(+/- 2022)
Total Damage 6660.09m

EP values for said sim:
EP AttackPower 0.65 DPS
EP Strength 2.56
EP Agility 1
EP CritRating 0.6
EP MasteryRating 0.68
EP HasteRating 1.06
EP ExpertiseRating 0.92
Before Melee Hit Cap 0.94
EP SpellHitRating 0
EP WeaponDPS 3.8
EP WeaponSpeed 380
EP 2T10 295
EP 4T10 312
EP 2T11 132
EP 4T11 245

You will of course note the sky high value of expertise relative to crit and mastery.
So I think "well, golly I should reforge some excess crit and mastery to expertise", so I look and pretty quickly discover I only have I can only reforge about 100 mastery into expertise without sacrificing either haste or hit rating. This effectively bumps me from 4 to 8 expertise.

So I run the sim on this new set of stats:
DPS 18183(+/- 1846)
Total Damage 6546m

Well, that's strange. Even though expertise is rated roughly 50% higher than mastery and I'm no where near the expertise cap reforging expertise yields a fairly significant DPS loss. So I think to myself, "maybe it's a middle ground effect, where just a bit of expertise is enough to counteract the GCD capping of having high haste and a haste trinket. So of the two items available for reforging I reforge one to mastery and one to haste, giving about a 50/50 split, here are the results:

DPS 18485(+/- 1680)
Total Damage 6654.73m

Still lower, but better than when I simply reforged to expertise, potentially you could chock it up to RNG and say they're even given the variance, however given that expertise was weighted more heavily than mastery by 50% and a swing as small as ~50 expertise rating yields such strange results seems fishy to me.

I chock it up to the sim being a bit funny lately and go about simming other things, this time, 2H frost because my guild has asked me to spec chillblains while we work on Cho'gal for the blood of the old god adds, without reforging from my main spec (2H unholy) I get the following results:
DPS 18718(+/- 1629)
Total Damage 6738.6m

218 DPS switching to a spec that is supposedly the worst DPS spec available to DKs from what is supposedly the best dps spec, sets off a few alarms for one - especially given that I left reforging as it would be for unholy. Admittedly, the difference in gear is minimal - I'd simply prioritize hit > Exp > Haste > Mastery > Crit instead of hit/haste > Mastery > Expertise > Crit,

I haven't made any modifications to the sim, and the sim has produced the same results on multiple sims for me. Anyone know anything? It seems to me that the sim has been acting very strangely lately, this is the first documentation I am capable of providing, although certainly not the first I've experienced.

Zynus · 02/25/11, 4:48 PM

Do you calculate your dps with the "Beginner mode" or the "Advanced mode"??

If you use the Advanced settings, which do you choose???

Bobfred21 · 02/25/11, 8:15 PM

Advanced settings. All character information is identical to the armory link I provided above, both running in unholy presence.

I don't have a pot or prepot selected because the sim doesn't have golemblood potions yet (which seems like it should be a priority).

Sim time: 100
latency: 150
RP / 60 : 0
Use pet is checked.

All buffs are selected except the draenei hit aura.

EP options haven't been touched from the default, neither has stat scaling. Haven't gone anywhere near the debug tab.

EDIT: Can someone run some sims and tell me if they are getting the same results? I ask only because this seems backwards considering conventional thinking about the DPS disparity between specs.

Caprillion · 03/01/11, 4:17 PM

I am new to Kahorie.

I downloaded Silverlight and use Kahorie as instructed in the OP. While everything seems fine, the report never completes and I'm stuck at the end of the Blue Line.

2011-03-01 16:11:43Z [WARNING] Starting sim
2011-03-01 16:11:43Z [WARNING] Loading config
2011-03-01 16:11:43Z [WARNING] Initializing object
2011-03-01 16:11:43Z [WARNING] PrePulls stuff

Can anyone indicate some possible solutions I may try. I was looking around with Google and in the EJ pages, but didn't find anything to help my case. Maybe I didn't look close enough, in which case please let me know where to look. It has been a few days I'm trying to resolve this. Any help would be appreciated dearly.

chizzle · 03/01/11, 4:29 PM

What is the status of this thread and the sim? I haven't seen any recent posts from Afabar for over a month and I'm curious if all the hotfixes were applied.

More info, the hotfixes I'm talking about are from Feb 9th:

Dark Transformation now increases pet damage by 60%, down from 80%.
Death Coil damage has been reduced by 15%.
The pet damage bonus from Shadow Infusion is now 6% per stack, down from 8%

The sim had the 4.0.6 checkbox before the patch came out but we never got a post confirming these changes were actually implemented.

xbit · 03/02/11, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by chizzle

What is the status of this thread and the sim? I haven't seen any recent posts from Afabar for over a month and I'm curious if all the hotfixes were applied.

More info, the hotfixes I'm talking about are from Feb 9th:

Dark Transformation now increases pet damage by 60%, down from 80%.
Death Coil damage has been reduced by 15%.
The pet damage bonus from Shadow Infusion is now 6% per stack, down from 8%

The sim had the 4.0.6 checkbox before the patch came out but we never got a post confirming these changes were actually implemented.

Changes - dksimulator - Project Hosting on Google Code

The last commit was on January 18, though the "Last Updated" datestamp says January 25. Either way I wouldn't expect those changes to be implemented yet.

chizzle · 03/02/11, 6:11 PM

Seems like this sim might be abandoned? I don't want to put words in Afabar's mouth, but again, it's been over a month since the last update and we haven't seen any posts either. I really hope that's not true. Losing Consider and Afabar would really suck, especially since 4.1 will be out in the next month or 2.

xbit · 03/02/11, 6:18 PM

No idea, I've been using simulation craft lately and trying to submit as many bugfixes as I can to improve its accuracy. Would be nice to see kahories updated though, I always liked his sim.