Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 64

Griefpb · 05/19/10, 1:32 PM

This is my setup for Kahlories in a frost Rotation, intro on the left and rotation on the right, I'm wondering if you guys do anything differently and if so what? Doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion about that recently on here.

drizuid · 05/19/10, 8:03 PM

Hello, with my recent swap to frost dps, i began looking into new weapons to replace bryntroll with. Rawr is currently telling me that the best weapon i can get (dual wielding) are 2 raging deathbringers from onyxia lair. Looking at the proc and some of the talent tree abilities, it would seem like this is correct. (black ice and raid buffs increasing shadow/magical damage plus the standard stats)

Whenever rawr tells me something i usually sim it in kahorie, but i can't find the raging/empowered deathbringer in the current version. I see the weapon procs in a few older versions (after googling "kahorie raging deathbringer") but not in the current. I tried adding it to the weaponDB xml file and kahorie crashed after attempting to "equip" it in the sim.

mebizzle · 05/20/10, 10:56 AM

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kelben · 05/22/10, 4:40 PM

Regarding the theoretical dps that sim says my character is capable of, what exactly is the (+/- <dps>) number referring to.

Currently my toon is expect to do 13467 (+/- 2304) dps on a single target mob. Last Deathbringer Saurfang kill, I ended up doing 13362 dps and 13284 effective dps according the WOL. Where exactly does that +/- figured into the expected dps. I've been beating myself up as only doing low 13000 dps puts me damn near the bottom of our dps charts in guild. And the only upgrades left for my toon are the DBW trinket and LK heroic weapon/legendary. So how are people producing parses in the 15k + region. The only thing I can think of is that our kills are so fast that its hard to compare to other parses. Our kills are sub three minutes.

mebizzle · 05/22/10, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by kelben

Regarding the theoretical dps that sim says my character is capable of, what exactly is the (+/- <dps>) number referring to.

It seems to be the margin of error for the dps calculation

Afabar · 05/22/10, 7:48 PM

The first value is the average DPS, the "+/-" is just the difference between the average and the lower or higher DPS on the multiple fights.

Konata · 05/25/10, 7:15 PM

I don't know if this is a bug or not, but when I run the sim with keep blood runes syncs checked I get a slight bit lower dps but high spell hit EP value of 1.95~. Then when I uncheck it does a slight bit more dps, but spell hit EP value drops to 1.5~

This is as Frost in my gear in 1.2.1.6

pindle · 05/28/10, 8:11 PM

I've just run a number of tests using my 1-52-18 frost build swapping around 4/5 KM and 2/2 Merciless Combat for 5/5 KM and 1/2 MC. Although many DK's seem to be favoring the first build, the 2nd build with 5/5 KM consistantly sims 23 dps higher. Could it be the sim isn't accounting for lost KM procs and people run 4/5 KM due to overwriting it too often else?

kc102 · 05/28/10, 8:40 PM

Change the RNG seed and see if it was just some damn good luck with that talent tree and that rng seed. I just simmed both, and got 4/5KM 2/2MC as better. Mind you, this is Str gemmed.

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	857437693	17.8	213544	5708.1	57147	22.5	2924.8	93067	36.7	6024.1	39943	15.8	63330	25	2047.2
Obliterate	815323967	17	80778	10093.4	34329	42.4	5354.1	46449	57.4	13596.1	94	.1
FrostStrike	556726258	11.6	63021	8834	21570	34.2	4398.7	41451	65.7	11142	86	.1
OffHand	538327229	11.2	211324	3638.7	55297	21.8	1853	92647	36.5	3817.2	42176	16.6	63380	25	1297.1
Obliterate(OH)	515217090	10.7	80872	6370.8	34254	42.4	3379.1	46618	57.6	8569
FrostStrike(OH)	352605426	7.3	63107	5587.4	21575	34.2	2779.4	41532	65.8	7046.1
FrostFever	211605914	4.4	117975	1793.7	117975	100	1793.7									99.7
BloodPlague	197318016	4.1	116248	1697.4	116248	100	1697.4									98.2
Necrosis	166555937	3.5	213544	780	213544	100
BloodCakedBlade	107377612	2.2	64143	1674	64143	99.9	1674				79	.1
Necrosis(OH)	104558831	2.2	211324	494.8	211324	100
HowlingBlast	101767819	2.1	9861	10320.2	6280	63.2	7016.6	3581	36.1	16113.8	71	.7
BloodCakedBlade(OH)	66635797	1.4	62841	1060.4	62841	99.1	1060.4				548	.9
BloodStrike	57484748	1.2	14448	3978.7	8310	57.5	2407.1	6138	42.4	6106.5	15	.1
BloodStrike(OH)	36210416	.8	14463	2503.7	8360	57.8	1517.8	6103	42.2	3854.1
Army of the Dead	35869373	.7	278859	128.6	242093	86.8	126.7	36766	13.2	141.2
Ghoul	45890427	1	43391	1577.5	24324	56.1	1252.3	4766	11	2152.4			14301	33	361.7
IcyTouch	20766678	.4	3472	5981.2	1298	37.2	3428.2	2174	62.2	7505.5	21	.6
PlagueStrike	10084625	.2	3460	2914.6	1889	54.5	1792.5	1571	45.4	4263.9	3	.1
PlagueStrike(OH)	6290202	.1	3463	1816.4	1938	56	1130	1525	44	2688.6
OH Razorice	5374498	.1	373229	14.4	373229	100										99.8
DPS	13360(+/- 2840)
Total Damage	4809.43m	in 100h
Total runic power used: 2019424 (117278 wasted)
Threat Per Second	9713
Generated in	83s
Template:	DWFrostTest
Priority:	FrostPriority
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader /	Razorice
Pet Calculation:	True

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Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	857307214	17.8	213540	5707.4	57145	22.5	2923.2	93066	36.7	6024.2	39943	15.8	63329	25	2046.7
Obliterate	802649731	16.7	80748	9940.2	34316	42.4	5276.4	46432	57.4	13387	94	.1
FrostStrike	571152719	11.9	63138	9046.1	18384	29.1	4333.8	44754	70.8	10981.8	86	.1
OffHand	538149473	11.2	211309	3637.8	55293	21.8	1852	92641	36.5	3816.2	42172	16.6	63375	25	1297.2
Obliterate(OH)	507255506	10.6	80842	6274.7	34242	42.4	3328.8	46600	57.6	8439.3
FrostStrike(OH)	360622333	7.5	63224	5703.9	18629	29.5	2739.6	44595	70.5	6942.2
FrostFever	211785344	4.4	117959	1795.4	117959	100	1795.4									99.7
BloodPlague	197178637	4.1	116109	1698.2	116109	100	1698.2									98.2
Necrosis	166530616	3.5	213540	779.9	213540	100
BloodCakedBlade	107363370	2.2	64142	1673.8	64142	99.9	1673.8				79	.1
Necrosis(OH)	104524291	2.2	211309	494.7	211309	100
HowlingBlast	97073998	2	9502	10216.2	5980	62.5	6900.6	3522	36.8	15845.7	70	.7
BloodCakedBlade(OH)	66599347	1.4	62837	1059.9	62837	99.1	1059.9				548	.9
BloodStrike	57677608	1.2	14493	3979.7	8335	57.5	2405.3	6158	42.4	6110.7	15	.1
BloodStrike(OH)	36311096	.8	14508	2502.8	8384	57.8	1518.9	6124	42.2	3849.9
Army of the Dead	35891571	.7	278859	128.7	242068	86.8	126.8	36791	13.2	141.3
Ghoul	45178673	.9	42621	1580.9	23906	56.1	1255.2	4672	11	2157.3			14043	32.9	362.7
IcyTouch	21378894	.4	3553	6017.1	1217	34	3391	2336	65.3	7385.3	23	.6
PlagueStrike	10312218	.2	3540	2913.1	1935	54.6	1792.8	1605	45.3	4263.6	3	.1
PlagueStrike(OH)	6438646	.1	3543	1817.3	1980	55.9	1131.5	1563	44.1	2686.1
OH Razorice	5377334	.1	373426	14.4	373426	100										99.8
DPS	13352(+/- 2900)
Total Damage	4806.76m	in 100h
Total runic power used: 2023168 (114247 wasted)
Threat Per Second	9708
Generated in	63s
Template:	DWFrostTest
Priority:	FrostPriority
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader /	Razorice
Pet Calculation:	True

Afabar · 05/29/10, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by pindle

I've just run a number of tests using my 1-52-18 frost build swapping around 4/5 KM and 2/2 Merciless Combat for 5/5 KM and 1/2 MC. Although many DK's seem to be favoring the first build, the 2nd build with 5/5 KM consistantly sims 23 dps higher. Could it be the sim isn't accounting for lost KM procs and people run 4/5 KM due to overwriting it too often else?

The sim don't average the proc value or stuff like that. It's just a big random number generator that hit a boss dummy in fast forward. If a proc would overwritten in game it would be in the sim. However a difference a 23 dps is ridiculously low, and this means that it's the player choice to move talent points from one to another. Maybe some fight would favor one or another.

Kahorie vs Silverlight

I'm since few weeks rewriting the sim for Silverlight 4, that will allow the non PC user to play with the sim. For those how are interested to take a look at Kahorie's DK simulator Silverlight. A lot of stuff are still left to do so I won't make the list so don't be surprise if some button are doing nothing. But the minimum is functional.
What is working:
- Simple simulation
- EP Generation
- Character Creation
- Template edition
- Intro/Prio/Rotation Editor

What is not working:
- Armory import
- Template import
- Combat log
- Text Export of the report
- Stat scaling
- Talent dps value
- EP Value in Character editor

What is new:
The scenario editor. It's very limited for the moment but it's more an idea a throw and I will make it evolve. I have included some premade fight. Select "scenario.xml" if you don't want to bother with that.

1/ This is where you specify the fight length
2/ You can make some adds pop at certain moment of the fight (Anub like).
3/ You can receive damage bonus (ToT or BQL style)
4/ You can make yourself out of reach of the boss for a period of time where your pet and disease can hit (or not) the boss

If you make a Syndragosa like fight (Boss out of reach + Adds pop) it won't work.

As always, any feedback suggestion are always welcome. The bugs will also be accepted too but less welcome.

pindle · 05/29/10, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by kc102

Change the RNG seed and see if it was just some damn good luck with that talent tree and that rng seed. I just simmed both, and got 4/5KM 2/2MC as better. Mind you, this is Str gemmed.

Just tried it again, results:
4-5km

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	819823307	17,5	212948	5447	73487	29,4	2973	77022	30,8	6120,5	37274	14,9	62439	25	2080,9
Obliterate	676976760	14,4	68610	9867	33397	48,6	5514,1	35213	51,3	13995,4	81	,1
FrostStrike	544353769	11,6	70000	7776,5	31942	45,6	4248,7	38058	54,3	10737,3	108	,2
OffHand	511639252	10,9	212665	3408,8	73397	29,3	1858,7	76696	30,7	3829,8	37562	15	62572	25	1302,2
Obliterate(OH)	423253081	9	68691	6161,7	33275	48,4	3436,8	35416	51,6	8721,9
FrostStrike(OH)	340558730	7,3	70108	4857,6	32024	45,7	2655,9	38084	54,3	6709
FrostFever	231470396	4,9	108602	2131,4	108602	100	2131,4									99
BloodPlague	176285454	3,8	108520	1624,5	108520	100	1624,5									98,1
Necrosis	159302088	3,4	212948	748,1	212948	100
BloodStrike	113849876	2,4	30090	3783,6	19100	63,4	2420,4	10990	36,5	6152,9	49	,2
HowlingBlast	112258231	2,4	8319	13494,2	1814	21,8	6648,1	6505	78,2	15403,3
IcyTouch	109173775	2,3	18359	5946,6	7446	40,6	3637,5	10913	59,4	7522,1
BloodCakedBlade	108760556	2,3	63953	1700,6	63953	99,9	1700,6				93	,1
Necrosis(OH)	99422650	2,1	212665	467,5	212665	100
BloodStrike(OH)	71219666	1,5	30139	2363	19099	63,4	1510,1	11040	36,6	3838,6
BloodCakedBlade(OH)	67831126	1,4	63737	1064,2	63737	99,9	1064,2				81	,1
PlagueStrike	52288630	1,1	18123	2885,2	10942	60,3	1865,3	7181	39,6	4439,3	21	,1
Army of the Dead	36886884	,8	276227	133,5	240084	86,9	131,7	36143	13,1	145,9
PlagueStrike(OH)	32540399	,7	18144	1793,5	11018	60,7	1164,3	7126	39,3	2766,2
OH Razorice	5756357	,1	399747	14,4	399747	100										99,8
DPS	13038(+/- 3028)
Total Damage	4693,65m	in 100h
Total runic power used: 2243456 (902 wasted)
Threat Per Second	9541
Generated in	28s
Template:	Pindle frost 1-52-18
Priority:	Frost
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader /	Razorice
Pet Calculation:	False

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5-5km

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	819296183	17,4	212914	5444,3	73483	29,4	2970,3	77004	30,8	6119,7	37272	14,9	62427	25	2079,1
Obliterate	664291676	14,1	68332	9721,5	33258	48,6	5435,7	35074	51,3	13785,4	81	,1
FrostStrike	556574113	11,8	69797	7974,2	28381	40,6	4185,5	41416	59,2	10570,5	108	,2
OffHand	511248912	10,9	212641	3406,6	73392	29,3	1857,8	76685	30,6	3827,6	37558	15	62564	25	1300,8
Obliterate(OH)	415318866	8,8	68413	6070,8	33144	48,4	3387,8	35269	51,6	8592
FrostStrike(OH)	348952910	7,4	69905	4991,8	28277	40,5	2616,1	41628	59,5	6605,6
FrostFever	231353803	4,9	108580	2130,7	108580	100	2130,7									99
BloodPlague	176109923	3,7	108514	1622,9	108514	100	1622,9									98,1
Necrosis	159199716	3,4	212914	747,7	212914	100
HowlingBlast	119671484	2,5	8733	13703,4	1481	17	6546,6	7252	83	15164,9
BloodStrike	113273044	2,4	29964	3780,3	19017	63,4	2422,6	10947	36,5	6138,8	49	,2
IcyTouch	109130101	2,3	18330	5953,6	6942	37,9	3578,2	11388	62,1	7401,7
BloodCakedBlade	108745826	2,3	63943	1700,7	63943	99,9	1700,7				93	,1
Necrosis(OH)	99347185	2,1	212641	467,2	212641	100
BloodStrike(OH)	70880435	1,5	30013	2361,7	19017	63,4	1510,1	10996	36,6	3834,5
BloodCakedBlade(OH)	67775880	1,4	63728	1063,5	63728	99,9	1063,5				81	,1
PlagueStrike	52140935	1,1	18089	2882,5	10918	60,3	1862,2	7171	39,6	4435,9	21	,1
Army of the Dead	36856235	,8	276211	133,4	240126	86,9	131,7	36085	13,1	145,3
PlagueStrike(OH)	32443346	,7	18110	1791,5	10997	60,7	1162,1	7113	39,3	2764,4
OH Razorice	5746781	,1	399082	14,4	399082	100										99,8
DPS	13051(+/- 3014)
Total Damage	4698,36m	in 100h
Total runic power used: 2236960 (763 wasted)
Threat Per Second	9550
Generated in	28s
Template:	Pindle frost 1-52-18
Priority:	Frost
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader /	Razorice
Pet Calculation:	False

So as you suggested, I changed the RNG seed, with these results:

4/5KM, 2/2MC DPS| 13025(+/- 2882)

5/5KM, 1/2MC DPS| 13047(+/- 2801)

Clearly 5/5 KM comes out on top so I double checked that I didn't have 2/2MC still with 5/5 KM, but no. What rotation are you using?

kc102 · 05/29/10, 11:51 AM

I actually use a priority. I tested a bunch and this came out on top last I checked, for me at least.
FF > BP > Oblit > BS > KMFS > KMRime (Almost never happens) > Rime > FS > HoW

pindle · 05/29/10, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

The sim don't average the proc value or stuff like that. It's just a big random number generator that hit a boss dummy in fast forward. If a proc would overwritten in game it would be in the sim. However a difference a 23 dps is ridiculously low, and this means that it's the player choice to move talent points from one to another. Maybe some fight would favor one or another.

Low but still worth investigating in my opinion

The talents are hard to compare though, with higher chance of overwriting KM procs it may be entirely up to personal playstyle and preference.

Originally Posted by kc102

I actually use a priority. I tested a bunch and this came out on top last I checked, for me at least.
FF > BP > Oblit > BS > KMFS > KMRime (Almost never happens) > Rime > FS > HoW

Correction I'm using the default frost prio which crudely resembles my playstyle. Using your prio I'm getting identical dps for both builds (13001 dps) - weird.

kc102 · 05/29/10, 4:29 PM

If you're getting the same values just run a couple of tests with a changed seed. It seems the above priority is better for lower gear levels, and now that I'm in 264/277 ilevel gear, moving KMFS to the top of my priority is giving me higher numbers, along with no point in subversion. Currently working out the finer points, but what's giving me better dps is KMFS > Diseases > Oblit > BS > KMRime > Rime > FS > HoW. Going to play with spec some, to see what that'll give me.

mebizzle · 05/29/10, 8:29 PM

I've noticed when simming different enchants that the simulator has the Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket listed as a 202 ArP enchant, is there any way for me to fix this?