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Old 11/18/10, 12:59 PM   #1051
Siantha
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Eitrigg
Non-perma Ghoul

How is the ghoul being simmed? I ran DW frost sim, one with horn of winter as last priority, one without. The DPS was higher without horn of winter, and here are the differentials by total damage, which show the increase in damage done without using HoW (except for Oblit, described below):

Army of the Dead | 212
BloodPlague | 325552
BloodStrike | 373200
FrostFever | 192848
FrostStrike | 4311040
Ghoul | 3573456
HowlingBlast | 6013696
Melee | 124352
Obliterate | -1446528
PlagueStrike | 93380

These results I generally expected, as the minimal runic power gained by horn is offset by the fact that you are stuck in the GCD, and if runes come off cooldown before the GCD is over then you are wasting that resource. The lower Oblit damage is due to more KM procs being used by frost strike when capped with runic power.

However I was surprised by the increase in ghoul damage. The only way the ghoul could be doing more damage would be if it were getting called more frequently. I then ran a sim with no strikes whatsoever, and ghoul damage actually doubled over the first sim. It seems like the ghoul is only getting called when there are no other active priorities, which would explain why using HoW as a last priority would decrease ghoul usage. If this is the case, I would create an explicit priority for summoning the ghoul so that we can figure out it is supposed to go.

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Old 12/02/10, 11:43 AM   #1052
ScottR
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Hyjal
The Silverlight version (not sure about the dowloadable version) is currently missing Fierce Ember Topaz as a gem. Item ID 52214

EDIT: Also Bold Inferno Ruby. Item ID 52206

Last edited by ScottR : 12/02/10 at 12:01 PM.

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Old 12/02/10, 4:05 PM   #1053
ScottR
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Hyjal
Originally Posted by Consider View Post
At any rate, the simulator does appear to be currently calculating the magical aspect of SS improperly... but after some testing, I can't find any rhyme or reason to it. Most of the time, it the magical portion hits for 40% of the physical portion. That's nothing more than .36 * 1.3 * 1.08, and that's what the sim assumes. Sometimes, however, it hits for seemingly random amounts like 63% - and it's not some odd anomaly, as it happens fairly often. Analyzing combat logs, I can't seem to link it to any sort of specific buff or what have you.

I'm at a loss as to what's going on there. Something strange.
I also have similar strange issues, but...I cannot even seem to reproduce your 40%. With 0 diseases up, no tier 10 on (10% multiplier, but does not double dip as tested but discovered later) and no glyph of Scourge Strike, no trinkets, no Ashen Verdict ring, runeforged my weapon to Sword Shattering so I have 0 procs....I am getting a tiny bit over 52%. Glyphed I am getting .63.

What it must be is Rage of Rivendare double dips and is additive with the Glyph of Scourge Strike.

Example (no glyph):
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/d...210_151356.jpg

Glyphed: .36*(1+.3+.45) = .63
Unglyphed: .36*(1+.45) = .522

The buggy thing here:
With Ebon Plague up, it gets no bonus to the shadow damage. With Curse of the elements, it is at .668 (should be .6804). With Earth and Moon it is .71 (adding 8% on). All of these work as you would expect for normal abilities, but not Scourge Strike.

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Old 12/03/10, 9:13 AM   #1054
Afabar
Don Flamenco
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
I have added some missing gems in the sim, but they might be some others missing. For information, the gem list is automatically extracted from Gems - Items - World of Warcraft. But there are some missing that I had to add manually.
I have also implemented the D&D bug that add 1 tick and by the way make some test and see that D&D crit are now 200% damage of the non crit, which was 150% before 4.0. I won't cross posting it in the Unholy threat but this confirm Consider's math regarding dw versus 2H.
ps: I have updated the OP to add some explanations regarding the new features of the sim since the old WotLK version.

Last edited by Afabar : 12/03/10 at 9:55 AM.


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Old 12/03/10, 9:16 PM   #1055
kelben
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Ysera
There appears to be something slight off with the Sim and how it is handling hit currently. I threw together a DW unholy DK (5%) cap, and started reforging items. However, as I increased hit the dps continued to go up. I assume it was the spell hit cap (17% - we should be capped with 8% melee and 9% spell hit via talents) However, I continue to experience increases in DPS as I increased hit rating until I went from 1151 to 1219 at which point I lost 2 dps.

This was tested in BIS DW gear, with Lava Spine x2, using gylphed DnD in the rotation. Melee hit cap is 605 rating as DW, otherwise at 961 (8%)

Haste is the devil...

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Old 12/04/10, 4:34 AM   #1056
Afabar
Don Flamenco
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
You are right I had the old virulence (2%) in the code. I have uploaded the correction. I have also remove the "old" level 80 stuff. Rating and strike are now always calculated for level 85.


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Old 12/05/10, 2:45 PM   #1057
Xn205
Glass Joe
 
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Goblin Priest
 
The Venture Co
I've run into a curious issue. @80 having reforged my haste to mastery, i've found that my Frost Strike hits are landing harder than my Obliterates. Is this true for 85? or is the scaling going to put obliterate back on top? Presently I'm in 264 gear, having reforged haste to Mastery for DW.

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Old 12/05/10, 4:40 PM   #1058
Afabar
Don Flamenco
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
Bot are strike and are based on weapon damage. I don't have calculated the Mastery needed to have harder FS than OB. But if at your percentage of mastery your FS hit harder, there is no reason that it wouldn't at the level 85. The main issue is to maintain this high mastery due to the rating conversion changes at 85. Example: if you have 800 mastery rating at level 80, you will need 3124 to achieve the same mastery at level 85.


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Old 12/10/10, 10:00 AM   #1059
Descended
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Durotan
Just to confirm I'm not getting strange results, everyone else is simming strength higher than all other stats, including hit and expertise in dungeon blues at 85? Strength is simming out about 3x higher than the nearest secondary stat (either hit or expertise, depending on the sim run), for me.

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Old 12/11/10, 10:06 AM   #1060
Afabar
Don Flamenco
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
A quick look in EP Values in Consider's OPs in this board will confirm your result. This is mainly due to the conversion ratio of the ratings that is higher than before, but the Strength value didn't changed.


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Old 12/15/10, 1:59 AM   #1061
kelben
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Ysera
Is it possible to add in some of the random items so the Sim knows how to handle them? Take the belt on my character for example, it comes from the Four Winds encounter and is amazing belt, however, the sim doesn't know that it can reforge the stats.

Last edited by kelben : 12/15/10 at 2:33 AM.

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Old 12/15/10, 10:25 AM   #1062
Afabar
Don Flamenco
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
Unfortunately, in this current state it's not possible. I have made the item list with the item id as unique. This would take some work load to change that. I'll keep it in mind if I have nothing left to do on the sim, but I can't put it on top of the priority right now.
As workaround you can input manual stats for your character in the Stat Summary tab.


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Old 12/16/10, 10:36 AM   #1063
Nervi
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Burning Legion (EU)
Are the cataclysm hc dungeon trinkets implemented in the sim yet? looks like to me that it's only counting the passive stasts and ignoring the procs, thanks.
edit: alright, thank you

Last edited by Nervi : 12/16/10 at 2:40 PM.

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Old 12/16/10, 11:18 AM   #1064
Afabar
Don Flamenco
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
Originally Posted by Nervi View Post
Are the cataclysm hc dungeon trinkets implemented in the sim yet? looks like to me that it's only counting the passive stasts and ignoring the procs, thanks.
Your assumption are correct. I'm lacking of a lot of information regarding trinkets, proc chance and internal CD for the most part.


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Old 12/22/10, 10:33 PM   #1065
Nazek
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Death Knight
 
Dunemaul (EU)
I was just testing the sim and my biggest problem was that I just couldn't get the priority list right because there was so few choises there which lead to an unrealistic sim and twisted the EP values.
Maybe I missed something? Is there a way to add my own conditions to abilities like 'obliterate if 2x F AND 2x UH runes up' or 'FS if RP > 95' for example and if not are you planning to implement such feature?

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