Kahorie's DK simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm. - Page 75

Cevan · 01/13/11, 9:31 PM

Could you please add [Flask of Titanic Strength] and [Golemblood Potion] as flask and pre/post pot options

Sahlia · 01/14/11, 4:47 AM

Originally Posted by Martialbob

clear all local data, then restart kahorie

No didnt work. Even doing everything new didn't work.

Here are my 2 reports:

Without 4.0.6:

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			TPS	Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	#	Avg	%	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	%
Ghoul	1222379884	16	324100	4955	230613	3856	71	16071	7711	5	0	0	77416	2702	24	0	0
ScourgeStrike	1093170831	14	133714	8175	113607	7105	82	20107	14224	15	4065	3	0	0	0	0	0
DeathCoil	1061271320	14	93176	11390	77173	9716	83	16003	19461	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
MainHand	900479841	12	174588	6848	104239	4768	58	27249	9534	15	5188	3	43100	3334	24	0	0
ScourgeStrike+ScourgeStrikeMagical	766005103	10	133714	5729	133714	5729	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ghoul: Sweeping Claw	650967466	8	90834	7167	86387	6831	95	4447	13690	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gargoyle	486233486	6	58579	8300	52733	7539	90	5846	15173	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
FrostFever	422536710	5	119997	3521	105242	3136	88	14755	6269	12	0	0	0	0	0	0	105
FesteringStrike	361492207	5	33166	10900	28101	9449	82	5065	18946	15	1038	3	0	0	0	0	0
BloodPlague	324677130	4	119995	2706	105185	2408	88	14810	4822	12	0	0	0	0	0	0	105
Ghoul: Claw	278230735	4	71255	3905	67620	3716	95	3635	7420	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
UnholyBlight	106146108	1	93176	1139	93176	0	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Army of the Dead	53019823	1	371144	143	334094	141	90	37050	161	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
BloodStrike	31613326	0	5185	6097	4380	5290	82	805	10486	15	158	3	0	0	0	0	0
IcyTouch	18644	0	3	6215	2	4981	67	1	8682	33	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
PlagueStrike	6755	0	1	6755	1	6755	33	0	0	0	2	67	0	0	0	0	0

Wtih 4.0.6

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances			TPS	Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	#	Avg	%	#	Avg	#	Avg	%	%
DeathCoil	1674585502	20	124064	13498	102630	11505	83	21434	23038	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ghoul	1161897197	14	324335	4707	230779	3664	71	16076	7319	5	0	0	77480	2565	24	0	0
ScourgeStrike	975215335	12	127215	7666	108071	6663	82	19144	13330	15	3881	3	0	0	0	0	0
ScourgeStrike+ScourgeStrikeMagical	972495417	12	127215	7644	127215	7644	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
MainHand	900686447	11	174810	6842	104359	4763	58	27273	9529	15	5196	3	43178	3330	24	0	0
Ghoul: Sweeping Claw	667120240	8	101210	6591	96154	6276	95	5056	12585	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gargoyle	495731037	6	59979	8265	53978	7507	90	6001	15080	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
FesteringStrike	382968931	5	35260	10861	29894	9418	82	5366	18899	15	1106	3	0	0	0	0	0
BloodPlague	318296662	4	119999	2652	105188	2361	88	14811	4723	12	0	0	0	0	0	0	105
FrostFever	270576158	3	119999	2255	105243	2008	88	14756	4018	12	0	0	0	0	0	0	105
Ghoul: Claw	225233678	3	61158	3683	58111	3507	95	3047	7030	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
UnholyBlight	167496608	2	124064	1350	124064	0	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Army of the Dead	52486249	1	367568	143	330802	141	90	36766	160	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
BloodStrike	25094733	0	4162	6030	3524	5234	82	638	10426	15	119	3	0	0	0	0	0
PlagueStrike	27020	0	3	9007	2	6755	67	1	13510	33	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
IcyTouch	14943	0	3	4981	3	4981	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

I would expect a much more heavy nerf for our ghoul (since we lose 10% damage from the nerfs for Dark Transformation/SI and another 5% from 5% lesser strength. Overall i believe there has to be something wrong when our overall dps goes up that much after those nerfs.

I suspect DC being bugged since it's going up by roughly 23% though it should be more like 12 % in my gear (10 mastery).

Afabar · 01/14/11, 7:21 AM

I can confirm your results. There is for the moment 1 big unknown that have influence on the result, Sudden Doom which is on PPM. I have implemented it at 2 PPM per point waiting I have more information about it, but it seems to be twice as what we get on live. More Death Coil means higher uptime of Runic Corruption and faster Dark Transformation too.
In this regards I have updated the sim to only have 1 ppm per point. That might be closer of what Blizzard will do, but I still get a bettter dps with the PTR configuration.

The other incertitude I have is if the Scourge Strike magical part going from 12 to 18% per disease is an tooltip hotfix or a real up of the ability. For the moment in the sim SS is 12% for live version and 18% for 4.0.6, Which might make the difference.

Velk · 01/14/11, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Afabar

The other incertitude I have is if the Scourge Strike magical part going from 12 to 18% per disease is an tooltip hotfix or a real up of the ability. For the moment in the sim SS is 12% for live version and 18% for 4.0.6, Which might make the difference.

I can confirm this is a real fix, and not a tooltip hotfix. On live, with glyph of scourge strike, the shadow portion will hit for 0.62 of the physical portion. On PTR it will hit for 0.758 of the physical portion.

Also:

Sudden doom is broken and does not proc, so I was unable to test PPM.

Scourge Strike (Shadow) is unaffected by mastery ( bug ? )

Death and Decay matches the expected result of being multiplied by mastery exactly.

Blood Plague and Death Coil are both pretty close, but still off what I would expect in my testing, so something about those two works differently than a flat multiplier of the mastery percentage.

If you know what it is, or can figure it out from my test results I'd be very happy !

Death Coil :

20% mastery (naked) - 2568
24% mastery (naked with mastery trinket ) - 2663
-
27% mastery (full gear) - 7412
32% mastery (full gear with mastery trinket ) - 7672

Blood Plague :

20% mastery - 173
24% mastery - 179.5
-
27% mastery - 1636
32% mastery - 1694

Cyrâ · 01/18/11, 1:28 AM

Hi there,

looks like Ive also got problems with the stats after optimizing the reforging.

Those are the values I used:

Strength: 3,1
Hit: 1,65 after cap: 0
Haste: 1,1
Crit: 0,8
Mastery: 0,32
Expertise: 0 after cap: 0

After optimizing, the tool said I should have 962 hit, but after reforging ingame I ended up with only 862.
I can check up the other stats if that is with any interest to you.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<character>
  <race>Worgen</race>
  <skill1>Jewelcrafting</skill1>
  <skill2>Mining</skill2>
  <food></food>
  <flask></flask>
  <DW>False</DW>
  <TwoHand>True<id>61339</id><gem1>0</gem1><gem2>0</gem2><gem3>0</gem3><enchant>3368</enchant><reforge><from>Crit</from><to>Haste</to><value>91</value></reforge></TwoHand>
  <ManualInput>false</ManualInput>
  <Head>
    <id>64737</id>
    <gem1>52298</gem1>
    <gem2>52206</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>4208</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Mast</from>
      <to>Haste</to>
      <value>61</value>
    </reforge>
  </Head>
  <Neck>
    <id>56421</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from></from>
      <to></to>
      <value>0</value>
    </reforge>
  </Neck>
  <Shoulder>
    <id>64739</id>
    <gem1>52206</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>4201</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Exp</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>55</value>
    </reforge>
  </Shoulder>
  <Back>
    <id>63467</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>4087</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Crit</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>44</value>
    </reforge>
  </Back>
  <Chest>
    <id>64735</id>
    <gem1>52206</gem1>
    <gem2>52206</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Crit</from>
      <to>Haste</to>
      <value>69</value>
    </reforge>
  </Chest>
  <Wrist>
    <id>59118</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from></from>
      <to></to>
      <value>0</value>
    </reforge>
  </Wrist>
  <TwoHand />
  <MainHand>
    <id>0</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from></from>
      <to></to>
      <value>0</value>
    </reforge>
  </MainHand>
  <OffHand>
    <id>0</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from></from>
      <to></to>
      <value>0</value>
    </reforge>
  </OffHand>
  <Sigil>
    <id>63480</id>
    <gem1>52206</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Mast</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>25</value>
    </reforge>
  </Sigil>
  <Hand>
    <id>59225</id>
    <gem1>52206</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>4075</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Crit</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>67</value>
    </reforge>
  </Hand>
  <Waist>
    <id>62384</id>
    <gem1>52206</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Mast</from>
      <to>Haste</to>
      <value>67</value>
    </reforge>
  </Waist>
  <Legs>
    <id>58097</id>
    <gem1>52206</gem1>
    <gem2>52206</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>4122</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Crit</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>72</value>
    </reforge>
  </Legs>
  <Feets>
    <id>59464</id>
    <gem1>52255</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>4069</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Mast</from>
      <to>Haste</to>
      <value>59</value>
    </reforge>
  </Feets>
  <Finger1>
    <id>59518</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Exp</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>50</value>
    </reforge>
  </Finger1>
  <Finger2>
    <id>62350</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Crit</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>44</value>
    </reforge>
  </Finger2>
  <Trinket1>
    <id>56100</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Hit</from>
      <to>Haste</to>
      <value>0</value>
    </reforge>
  </Trinket1>
  <Trinket2>
    <id>52351</id>
    <gem1>0</gem1>
    <gem2>0</gem2>
    <gem3>0</gem3>
    <enchant>0</enchant>
    <reforge>
      <from>Mast</from>
      <to>Hit</to>
      <value>114</value>
    </reforge>
  </Trinket2>
  <stat>
    <Strength>3835</Strength>
    <Agility>110</Agility>
    <Intel>33</Intel>
    <Stamina>4894</Stamina>
    <Armor>19989</Armor>
    <SpecialArmor>0</SpecialArmor>
    <AttackPower>110</AttackPower>
    <MasteryRating>493</MasteryRating>
    <HitRating>962</HitRating>
    <CritRating>1076</CritRating>
    <HasteRating>1381</HasteRating>
    <ArmorPenetrationRating>0</ArmorPenetrationRating>
    <ExpertiseRating>160</ExpertiseRating>
  </stat>
  <weapon>
    <count>1</count>
    <mainhand>
      <dps>623.3</dps>
      <speed>3.60</speed>
    </mainhand>
    <offhand>
      <dps>0</dps>
      <speed>0</speed>
    </offhand>
  </weapon>
  <Set>
    <PVP2PDPS>1</PVP2PDPS>
  </Set>
  <trinket>
    <RightEyeofRajh>1</RightEyeofRajh>
    <Figurine-KingofBoars>1</Figurine-KingofBoars>
  </trinket>
  <WeaponProc></WeaponProc>
  <misc>
    <HandMountedPyroRocket>false</HandMountedPyroRocket>
    <HyperspeedAccelerators>false</HyperspeedAccelerators>
    <ChaoticSkyflareDiamond>false</ChaoticSkyflareDiamond>
    <TailorEnchant>false</TailorEnchant>
    <AshenBand>false</AshenBand>
    <PrePullIndestructiblePotion>false</PrePullIndestructiblePotion>
    <PrePullPotionofSpeed>false</PrePullPotionofSpeed>
    <IndestructiblePotion>false</IndestructiblePotion>
    <PotionofSpeed>false</PotionofSpeed>
    <SaroniteBomb>false</SaroniteBomb>
    <SapperCharge>false</SapperCharge>
  </misc>
  <racials>
    <MHExpertiseBonus>0</MHExpertiseBonus>
    <OHExpertiseBonus>0</OHExpertiseBonus>
    <Orc>false</Orc>
    <Troll>false</Troll>
    <BloodElf>false</BloodElf>
    <Dreani>false</Dreani>
    <Worgen>true</Worgen>
    <Goblin>false</Goblin>
  </racials>
</character>

Afabar · 01/18/11, 6:07 AM

Cyrâ,

Many thank for the full output.

I think I have found where the issue is. The trinket Right Eye of Rajh should not be reforged. In the xml, there is From hit to Haste with a value 0. This should be empty.

I have now to find a way for this to not append anymore.

Krychek · 01/18/11, 6:21 AM

Virulence doesn't work as expected for Frost; diseases do the same damage with 0 points in Virulence or 3 points in Virulence.

The version I've use is 'Last update: 11/01/15 12:12:05 PM'

Martialbob · 01/18/11, 11:06 AM

This error in hit can also come from a fact that I have recently found, if the reforge optimizer runs, and it sees something that previously had a reforge on it needs to go to no reforge at all, it doesn't show that upon update, the stats are correct; however, it still shows the item is reforged in the character section.

Once I realized this, I always remove reforges from all items before running the optimizer, I haven't had a problem since.

Afabar · 01/18/11, 1:47 PM

That is the kind of solution I think I will implement.

Kregolich · 01/18/11, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by Martialbob

This error in hit can also come from a fact that I have recently found, if the reforge optimizer runs, and it sees something that previously had a reforge on it needs to go to no reforge at all, it doesn't show that upon update, the stats are correct; however, it still shows the item is reforged in the character section.

Once I realized this, I always remove reforges from all items before running the optimizer, I haven't had a problem since.

I can confirm this from my experience as well.

Jonneh · 01/18/11, 11:51 PM

Using the reforge optimizer with the 4.0.1 stat weights for unholy, and a hit cap of 961 and a value of 0 over the cap, it always seems to tell me to use about 100 more hit rating than I actually need to. With several options for getting that figure closer to the cap. I can't seem to figure out why! Is it related to the above posts about removing reforges before running the optimizer?

Edit: Seems that it is, removing reforges before running it seems to fix it!

I'd suggest a better system for telling you what needs to be changed could save a lot of time. Perhaps re-compare the optimized results to the armory and tell you what you need to change. Or even just a display you can look at or list-view showing what needs to be reforged to what.

Great addition to the tool though.

Edit2: Oh, something else strange though. Even using the un-reforge-everything fix.. it still leaves my [Heart of Rage] totally unreforged. With haste and hit being of higher value than expertise, why would this do so? There is no circumstance where you wouldn't reforge it to one of the two, optimally. Another strange bug perhaps?

kc0716 · 01/19/11, 1:08 AM

Hey Kahorie, I have a quick question about the Simulation vs. EP Values vs. Reforger

Should the order be:

Setup the character -> Get EP Values -> Do the Reforger according to those EP values it gives me -> Run Sim?

ScottR · 01/20/11, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by Afabar

SS Shadow damage is still high. I wonder if it still double dips with Rage of Rivendare.

Originally Posted by ScottR

I just retested all these. This is with the glyph of Scourge Strike in. The numbers of course changed without the glyph, but the strange interaction with CoE and Earth and Moon did not (.522 base, ~.55 with CoE, ~.5897 with Earth and Moon).

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/d...urgeStrike.png

Realized after I let me guildies go that 3 were crits and 1 was not - but that should not matter.

To me, this says Rage of Rivendare is counted for the shadow portion too.

No glyph:
(.12*3)*(1.45) = 0.522
Glyphed:
(.12*3)*(1.45+.3) = 0.63

Expected would be Earth and Moon, CoE, Master Poisoner, and Ebon Plague to bring these to:
No glyph:
((.12*3)*(1.45))*1.08 = 0.56376
Glyphed:
((.12*3)*(1.45+.3))*1.08 = 0.6804

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t110294-...6/#post1840161

deathsythe · 01/21/11, 2:46 PM

I've noticed that the gem list now has Agility gems and is missing a bunch of Str/Secondary stat gems that it used to have. I've tried Clearing all data but the list still come up the same. Also some enchants are missing like +15 stats to chest along with some Mastery enchants not even having any rating tied to them (example would be Enchant Boots - Mastery).

Outside of that which isn't a huge issue I just wanted to thank you the continual work you've done to provide a resource like this for the DK community.

lycaninlove · 01/21/11, 7:44 PM

I recognize that this is a simulator and therefore a tester of what you had planned to do. But i am just starting out with this stat maximizing and stuffs and i was wondering if there is or is ever going to be a way to mae the simulator tell you what would be the best reforging to do or the best enchants/gems to have, I know it has the optimize button, but that doesn't really help me too much since i don't really know what it does, haven't been able to find the readme. I don't know if this is possible, and if it isn't can anyone please redirect me to a post where i can find this info. I've read http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t110296-..._nothing_lose/ but it's..well.. difficult, it assumes you know what you're doing before you start, which i don't. Same reason as why the optimize doesn't really work for me. I love the tool, i just want to learn wh it does what it does.

Thx in advance for help, hope to get responses soon