There Will Be Blood (DPS) - Meet the new thread/Same as the old thread

Eej · 04/14/09, 12:23 AM

Just cleaning the clutter because the old thread was huge and is mostly inapplicable to the newest patch (3.1). All hail our Death Strike overlords!

This thread is still a honeypot for crappy posts, bad grammar, whines and other infractionable things. Let's keep the terrible posting level low here, ja?

Stuff if you haven't been paying attention:

Diseaseless is dumb, stop trying to make it work.

Blood specs have about 3-4 points of filler (if you count Vamp Blood as filler rather than a "oh god I just stood in fire" button). You can dump them in Rune Tap, Bloodworms or whatever.

51/0/20 of some variant seems to be the Standard Spec right now.

Unholy points are pretty mutable right now. I think the difference between maxing out Morbidity vs other talents depends on whether you have of the Vengeful Heart. Glyph choice I'm personally not sure about either (you Death Strike a lot less than you Death Coil, for example).

44/0/27 is the new debated spec. Since I haven't actually tried it, I'm not sure if this is the best layout of points. Basically, UB for your big dump and pet ghoul for massive pet DPS.

Siyx · 04/14/09, 1:06 AM

I approve of the new thread. One thing to note, with the "final" Official Patch Notes they have the DRW Glyph at 10 Seconds again...

Glyph of Dancing Rune Weapon: Increases the duration of Dancing Rune Weapon by 10 seconds.

Maybe this isn't a typo. Maybe. You can find the final Official notes here or posted on MMOC here.

Avibus · 04/14/09, 1:22 AM

Certainly an interesting patch. Bit sad about losing Shadow of Death though. I also agree with a new thread, the other one is just so huge.

Spotnick · 04/14/09, 4:31 AM

Any consensus yet for the cookie cutter build from the PTR? I've seen a few, but I'm curious to see if anyone reached a consensus.

Valtiel · 04/14/09, 4:33 AM

I've seen a lot of discussions about 51/00/20 and 51/2/18. Very hard to say now, for me.

Prinsesa · 04/14/09, 6:52 AM

I believe 50/0/21 was also put forth as an alternative. DRW is capable of more damage than Unholy Blight, but Blight is a lot less demanding to manage while only being marginally behind.

danger211 · 04/14/09, 7:16 AM

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...5&version=9767

Not claiming to have invented this spec. Quite obviously. But this is what I will be speccing into tomorrow (3.1)

Rotation will be

PS>IT>HS>HS>DS>UB>(DC til rp is empty) HS>HS>HS>HS*(DS)HS>HS

* you can either go for a 6hs rotation or a 4hs 1ds. the 4HS rotation scales better with higher end gear.

Please post some feedback on this spec. Pro's Con's , I'm tired and Haven't really researched every blasted number behind it

Epicness · 04/14/09, 7:19 AM

I havent tried it out yet or anything, but I was thinking that I would have to agree with most of you o n51/0/20 as a good spec. I was thinking of this rotation:

IT-PS-HS-HS-OB-RP rump
IT-PS-HS-HS-HS-HS-RP
OB-IT-PS-HS-HS-RP
HS-HS-HS-HS-OB-RP

With the longer cooldowns on diseases this seams like it would work, only needing to refresh diseases after OB, I know it seems long but I think it would do the job.

danger211 · 04/14/09, 7:54 AM

Originally Posted by Epicness

I havent tried it out yet or anything, but I was thinking that I would have to agree with most of you o n51/0/20 as a good spec. I was thinking of this rotation:

IT-PS-HS-HS-OB-RP rump
IT-PS-HS-HS-HS-HS-RP
OB-IT-PS-HS-HS-RP
HS-HS-HS-HS-OB-RP

With the longer cooldowns on diseases this seams like it would work, only needing to refresh diseases after OB, I know it seems long but I think it would do the job.

Yes, But DS replaces OB, And it doesnt consume diseases.

TigCarn · 04/14/09, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by danger211

Yes, But DS replaces OB, And it doesnt consume diseases.

what he said. with ob being taken off of might of mograine you lose the 45% crit damage bonus. ob will crit for about as much as hs. ds self buffed i was getting 7-8k crits regularly and raid buffed in ulduar with shirt of uber was getting some nice 11-12k ds crits using the 51/2/18 spec. glyphs you want are Glyph of DS, Glyph of DRW, and Glyph of Dark Death.(15% more dc damage)

AlistarNL · 04/14/09, 8:59 AM

Speccing http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9757 tomorow with:

IT -> PS -> HS -> HS -> DS -> Dump -> HS -> HS -> HS -> HS -> DS -> Dump as a rotation.

I'll edit this post after a night of raiding and tell my experiences with it :]. Gluck in ulduar!

Beckin · 04/14/09, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by AlistarNL

Speccing http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9757 tomorow with:

IT -> PS -> HS -> HS -> DS -> Dump -> HS -> HS -> HS -> HS -> DS -> Dump as a rotation.

I'll edit this post after a night of raiding and tell my experiences with it :]. Gluck in ulduar!

Liking this layout so far but a question in regards to Sigil's and I might have missed this in the huge rocket science thread but... I assume Sigil of Haunted Dreams will now be more effective than Sigil of Awareness?

Sael · 04/14/09, 9:55 AM

From what I saw, Death Strike has been added to the Sigil.

Beckin · 04/14/09, 9:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sael

From what I saw, Death Strike has been added to the Sigil.

Indeed it has, my apologies. Seems like everytime I come here to read, I'm either half-asleep or half-awake which makes for bad reading on my part.

SlyyyC · 04/14/09, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Beckin

Liking this layout so far but a question in regards to Sigil's and I might have missed this in the huge rocket science thread but... I assume Sigil of Haunted Dreams will now be more effective than Sigil of Awareness?

Actually there was a change affecting this sigil, now it also affects DS. Haunted Dreams gives roughly 3.78% or so per proc, with a 15% proc rate. It has been discussed before, and Awareness > Haunted Dreams. I hope it helps =)

Btw, it would be helpful to most viewers of this thread to put the different specs links for future references like 51-0-20/51-2-18/50-0-21/44-0-26(+1). If someone could link them, it'd be appreciated =D