There Will Be Blood (DPS) - Meet the new thread/Same as the old thread - Page 4

Siyx · 04/14/09, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tikiman49

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BCB a much better per-point talent than Necrosis?

Yes, and they're both worth more than RPM and Morbidity at this point so you can set it up so you don't have to choose between the Necrosis and BCB if you want to.

From raid testing, dummy testing (I know), and simulations I cannot get RPM to out preform having those two points in Unholy, even if the difference is something like ~50 DPS.

Eej · 04/14/09, 2:19 PM

I'm not really sure if UB will ever beat out DRW for anything, but I'm sure if there are fights which really need you to squeeze out as much AE as you can, you can just dual spec two Blood DPS specs with just DRW and UB swapped around.

I mean, it's not like everyone is an off-tank, right?

Siyx · 04/14/09, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Eej

I'm not really sure if UB will ever beat out DRW for anything, but I'm sure if there are fights which really need you to squeeze out as much AE as you can, you can just dual spec two Blood DPS specs with just DRW and UB swapped around.

I mean, it's not like everyone is an off-tank, right?

It would be far more beneficial to have your second spec full Unholy for AoE heavy situations, rather than having an alternate Blood spec with UB over DRW.

CapitalistPig · 04/14/09, 2:39 PM

I ran Blood 51/20 disease-less and loved it. When I heard of the DRW nerf and other changes, i went ahead and specced 17/0/54 to get used to Unholy before 3.1. My suprise was in getting quite a bit of dps improvement with the unholy spec. I understand this thread is about maximizing a blood spec, but is it time to actually figure out which spec is "better" in a raid situation and figure out wether or not blizzard just made blood spec a leveling only spec? Would like to see some input from some of you PTR regulars. I'm really concerned that my days of blood spec are over (until 3.2 or 3.3 anyways).

Tikiman49 · 04/14/09, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by CapitalistPig

I ran Blood 51/20 disease-less and loved it. When I heard of the DRW nerf and other changes, i went ahead and specced 17/0/54 to get used to Unholy before 3.1. My suprise was in getting quite a bit of dps improvement with the unholy spec. I understand this thread is about maximizing a blood spec, but is it time to actually figure out which spec is "better" in a raid situation and figure out wether or not blizzard just made blood spec a leveling only spec? Would like to see some input from some of you PTR regulars. I'm really concerned that my days of blood spec are over (until 3.2 or 3.3 anyways).

The order of the dps of each spec type is roughly: Blood ~= Unholy > Frost > DW. Discussion about it in the 3.1 Changes thread.

Volcanon · 04/14/09, 2:42 PM

Unholy has been better than blood for dps on most fights for most of 3.0 also afaik, I only spec blood for the raidbuff.

Anyway, I was wondering if there had been any opinions or math done on Glyph of disease vs drw/dark death.

It seems like refreshing your diseases with one blood rune and one GCD would be a substantial dps increase.

Kaejin · 04/14/09, 2:47 PM

There was a lot of discussion about it in the old thread (run a search if you want to read any of it), but it was concluded to not provide a significant benefit.

Siyx · 04/14/09, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by Volcanon

Unholy has been better than blood for dps on most fights for most of 3.0 also afaik, I only spec blood for the raidbuff.

Anyway, I was wondering if there had been any opinions or math done on Glyph of disease vs drw/dark death.

It seems like refreshing your diseases with one blood rune and one GCD would be a substantial dps increase.

Where have you been? I don't think I've ever been out dps'd by an equally geared and able Unholy Death Knight (on non gimmick, non-AoE heavy fights) on Live up to this point. 3.1 is a different story though, while Unholy might be ahead of Blood, all signs point to all the top specs being competitive.

It should (hopefully) come down to playstyle.

Tahotar · 04/14/09, 3:56 PM

For a blood build, what glyphs will you use to tide you over until DRW and Death Coil glyphs (if you choose to go this route) become available. The new major glyphs will be learned by scribes from rare BoE world drops. I wonder how long it will be before these new glyphs become readily available? Death Strike is a no-brainer. Until DRW and Death Coil glyphs are "discovered", I'll probably use Ghoul and perhaps Icy Touch for the added RP. I guess other options would be DnD or PS glyphs.

Your time is up · 04/14/09, 4:16 PM

I use ghoul, dnd, and chains of ice because of gearing more to pvp i like the chains of ice to also do some damage in raids on bosses it does add a small amount. I am wondering if blood will remain the choice raid spec and if its going to be able to keep up enough with unholy dps wise? I think fo those players where they are in guilds who are struggling with naxx stil blood will be the better route for staying alive while pumping out decent dps

Terika · 04/14/09, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by Your time is up

I use ghoul, dnd, and chains of ice because of gearing more to pvp i like the chains of ice to also do some damage in raids on bosses it does add a small amount. I am wondering if blood will remain the choice raid spec and if its going to be able to keep up enough with unholy dps wise? I think fo those players where they are in guilds who are struggling with naxx stil blood will be the better route for staying alive while pumping out decent dps

Please dear god say your joking.

As for the glyphs, im stuggling finding which 2/3 are the new ones and which 1 is changing, i assume its the death strike glyph that is the 1 changing in which case what are the other 2 to use until my guild has found the other 2 i need.

Eej · 04/14/09, 4:26 PM

I'm still waiting for servers to go up and people to figure out what the real changes are and whatnot. Stuff like "WHAT IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER ON DRW GLYPH?" is kind of important before vomiting theorycrafting all over the thread.

Obtain · 04/14/09, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by danger211

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...5&version=9767

Not claiming to have invented this spec. Quite obviously. But this is what I will be speccing into tomorrow (3.1)

Rotation will be

PS>IT>HS>HS>DS>UB>(DC til rp is empty) HS>HS>HS>HS*(DS)HS>HS

* you can either go for a 6hs rotation or a 4hs 1ds. the 4HS rotation scales better with higher end gear.

Please post some feedback on this spec. Pro's Con's , I'm tired and Haven't really researched every blasted number behind it

Why take Outbreak over Morbidity when your main attacks are not PS and SS? I'd max out Morbidity and go 4/5 Necrosis with that rotation.

AtheistGod · 04/14/09, 5:18 PM

Why are people not maxing out necrosis/BCB. Say that your autoattack is 25% of your damage and that Deathcoil is 15%. Necrosis is nearly 1% dps per point whereas Morbidity is only .75%. At the same numbers BCB is a 1.25% DPS gain per point. Both Necrosis and BCB are very good talents for blood and in my view the main reason UH is such a good subspec for blood. The choice in my eyes is between Morbidity, Ravenous Dead, and Night of the Dead(6 points available).

Personally I think 15% for Deathcoil is higher than what it really is and that 25% is slightly lower than what auto really is.

brooksy86 · 04/14/09, 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by danger211

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...5&version=9767

Not claiming to have invented this spec. Quite obviously. But this is what I will be speccing into tomorrow (3.1)

Rotation will be

PS>IT>HS>HS>DS>UB>(DC til rp is empty) HS>HS>HS>HS*(DS)HS>HS

* you can either go for a 6hs rotation or a 4hs 1ds. the 4HS rotation scales better with higher end gear.

Please post some feedback on this spec. Pro's Con's , I'm tired and Haven't really researched every blasted number behind it

i would simply look at the fact that there is no real rune dump other than dc's, if your going for a raid spec as blood dps i would get rid of the vampiric touch and go for drw simply becuase it will add dps when its up, and the healing is nice in certain occasions but not necessary with good healers. However im no pro at specs, its just my opinion.