Unholy Gains Shadow of Death (Unholy DPS Discussion now with more 3.2!) - Page 11

LokiUCLA · 04/16/09, 5:17 PM

Could someone be kind enough to work up the DPS increase for Loatheb's Shadow? I'm currently using Loatheb's Shadow and the Fury of Five Flights trinkets. Is there a better combination for me? I have just about every trinket up through 25 Naxx.

Also due to ghoul frenzy being very tricky to work into a rotation I would think it should just be put on a RP basis. What you guys think?

Tenaka · 04/16/09, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by LokiUCLA

Could someone be kind enough to work up the DPS increase for Loatheb's Shadow? I'm currently using Loatheb's Shadow and the Fury of Five Flights trinkets. Is there a better combination for me? I have just about every trinket up through 25 Naxx.

Also due to ghoul frenzy being very tricky to work into a rotation I would think it should just be put on a RP basis. What you guys think?

It's been pointed out many times already.

[Bandit's Insignia] and [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] are the best. If you don't have the Darkmoon trinket then use [Fury of the Five Flights] instead

level12wizard · 04/16/09, 9:22 PM

Not sure if it's a bug or intentional, but a missed (or dodged/parried) blood strike will generate a Death Rune now (being brought back up within the next GCD). Kind of makes me wish I could turn off all my hit/expertise for one attack. If you're not using Blood Tap for anything else, you can sneak an extra Scourge Strike in with this feature.

Griefpb · 04/16/09, 10:36 PM

Would that be an inc in dps?

rathosdk · 04/16/09, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by reflexdk

You're expecting too much...

You have too much hit (aim for 263), and you don't have DPS enhancing professions such as Jewelcrafting and Blacksmithing.

Bear in mind that the top DPS DK's are almost all using BiS gear with 4 piece T7.5 bonus, using all max consumables and Betrayer...

Thanks, I've got a better hit rating after last nights raid (not equipped atm) I wasn't expecting to get the 5-7k dps I've seen posted here, but I didn't know if I should be doing better than 3.5k. Thanks again.

ahri · 04/16/09, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kalevi

What were you pulling as Blood? Tonight in 10 man on Ignis as 0/10/61, I was able to sustain around 4200-4500 for most attempts with my highest ~4600 on our best attempt for the night (slag bug + server crashage FTL). I'll be trying out 12/0/59 next time we go in there and see how I do. Seeing almost 11k Scourge Strike crits was pretty awesome however.

Seems my other post was deleted. Anyway, I did 3600 that night as Unholy, 4500-5200 as Blood.
This night, I changed spec from 0/10/61 to 12/0/59 and did 4500-5200. My dummy dps went up from ~3100 to ~3400 (although dummy and recount don't like my Necrosis). I guess my gear is more suitable for the second spec, and I'll just presume first night I didn't have all raidbuffs or some of my addons was quite bugged. Also, we kited him way less this night so I guess that helped too [I didn't run away from my Desecrated ground]. We had Blood DK in raid so I didn't try Blood tonight.

Abomination · 04/17/09, 12:50 AM

So, i was wondering how good armor pen is for unholy.

I got no idea what pieces i need in ulduar per say other than obvious upgrades.

Fearlezz · 04/17/09, 1:53 AM

Did you even bother to look at the first post in the thread? Thought so... But anyway, here you are:

Originally Posted by Miracleknight

Stat	Naxx Gear	Unholy(BiS)	Unholy(T8+BiS)	Unholy(BiS)
1AP	1.000	1.000	1.000	1.000
1STR	2.981	2.964	2.979	2.986
1CRT	1.234	1.341	1.397	1.399
1HIT (precap)	~1.968	~1.968	~1.968	~1.968
1Haste	1.276	1.417	1.523	1.514
1Exp	1.38	1.504	1.596	1.565
1AP-R	0.729	0.938	1.026	1.0152
1AGI	0.850	0.926	1.012	1.080
1Armor	0.000	0.000	0.000	0.0278
1dps (wpn)	6.337	6.192	6.526	6.3234
Spec	0/10/61	0/10/61	0/10/61	12/0/59

Griefpb · 04/17/09, 3:05 AM

Originally Posted by Abomination

So, i was wondering how good armor pen is for unholy.

I got no idea what pieces i need in ulduar per say other than obvious upgrades.

Its not worth anything, just gem strength

Foxx2405 · 04/17/09, 4:06 AM

Originally Posted by level12wizard

Not sure if it's a bug or intentional, but a missed (or dodged/parried) blood strike will generate a Death Rune now (being brought back up within the next GCD). Kind of makes me wish I could turn off all my hit/expertise for one attack. If you're not using Blood Tap for anything else, you can sneak an extra Scourge Strike in with this feature.

Originally Posted by Griefpb

Would that be an inc in dps?

Awesome as this is, it serves no benefit.

What attack did you want to get dodged / missed ? Bloodstrike ?
Hitting with that is more dps and turns the rune in a death rune too.

You can't get any benefit out of this really. The only benefit is that IF you miss your blood strike, you don't have to redo the attack. That is a nice advantage if you're limited in your GCDs.

Gavain · 04/17/09, 4:29 AM

@Phyrrus

That´s the best and most realistic math so far for IUP in my eyes. A very complete view on that topic.

I was thinking about exchanging the SS-Glyph for Glyph of Disease due to the higher value on multiple mobs.
But after a first night in Ulduar I have to say that Epidemic + SS-Glyph works really great. Your diseases hardly ever fall off during a fight.

reflexdk · 04/17/09, 6:08 AM

Originally Posted by Miracleknight

Yeah, stop putting so much emphasis on the Test Dummy damage. Things change drastically in a raid setting. And remember that DKs were overpowered before; I know Overpowered means more fun, but as long as you are doing the best you can, enjoying what you're doing and putting DPS that isn't just so far down you are disgracing the raid; try to worry less about it especially at the beginning of new content. We're not meant to be top DPS in a raid, I know it feels sometimes like you're failing if you're not; but it should rarely be that way.

Indeed, which is why I'm somewhat worried that me and another DK were consistently top in DPS last night.

On X2 Deconstructor 25, we were pulling around 6300 DPS (not surprising considering the increased dmg on the heart), but we were miles ahead of the 3rd+ DPS slots... in the region of 10-15% more. I'm expecting a nerf to be honest.

SiRk · 04/17/09, 7:53 AM

Originally Posted by reflexdk

Indeed, which is why I'm somewhat worried that me and another DK were consistently top in DPS last night.

On X2 Deconstructor 25, we were pulling around 6300 DPS (not surprising considering the increased dmg on the heart), but we were miles ahead of the 3rd+ DPS slots... in the region of 10-15% more. I'm expecting a nerf to be honest.

Were you hitting 6.3k dps as Unholy on that fight? Because I was hitting the same mark as Blood (consistently #1 on DPS) and I was wondering if it was just because I could hysteria+drw during hearthphases, or if we do high dps in general...
I also noticed I was getting consistent top DPS slot as well on our Ignis tries as Unholy (untill they made me switch to construct kiting). I was under the impression that they were going to nerf Hybrid dps classes, so that pure dps classes would always come out on top, but from what I've seen so far, hybrid's seem to be ruling DPS.

Qrio · 04/17/09, 8:54 AM

About the same reports here as well - 0/10/61 is doing quite well for me, consistently topping the meters in our tries. In most of the tries an enhancement shammy & retri paladin were also among the top 3, hybrids don't seem to have gotten the nerf-bat that we expected.

Btw, 0/10/61 performs really nice, if you even have a decent tank you won't miss the decreased threat. I'm going to stick with it, instead of 12/0/59.

Soulwraith · 04/17/09, 8:54 AM

Last night on X2 me and our rogue were both in the 6.3-6.6k dps range. I know were a hybrid class but it doesnt mean that other people cant step it up and do more dps. He was specced combat. I wanted to swap to blood to see what i could do but i kept forgetting. But on every boss him and i are always the top 2 dps.