DateeForma

So i was wondering guys. I am rolling with 17/54 2H Unholy Oblit spec. Unfortunately for me im a bit behind on gear so i am working on getting my ArP together. I have the 244 dps 2350 weapon currently . Would it be beneficial for me to downgrade to a 232 dps weapon with ArP or should i stay with my arena weapon. Also completely unrelated to that question i was wondering when and if you guys use haste pots. I am trying to figure out the best time to use them. I know it should be coupled with my gargoyle and heroism most likely. Just wondering specifically how i should go about it to max dps. Thanks in advance.

 

pessadilla

@DateeForma: I would stay with the highest damage weapon. Weapon dps weight's 6.42 while ArP is like 1.77 (my numbers may be a little off, but weapon dps carries much more weight, wich is my point). As for haste pots, you can pop one before engaging, and one when you have all/most of your procs up, right before you pop gargoyle. Since garg benefits from both, AP and haste.

 

sloot

Does anyone know of an addon that will monitor fallen crusader's unholy strength and the sigil's unholy strength separately? My buff filters are currently reading one as the other and vice versa... :'(

 

pessadilla

As far as I know, Because they both have the same name, any addon you get will only show one of them. Eventalert, and Tellmewhen, both only show one of them.

 

Savetheday

AFAIK Elkanos Buff Bar has been working just fine for me. One is called Unholy Strength the other is Unholy Strength I.

 

Fearlezz

As far as I know, PowerAuras can track spells by their ID, so you might wanna give it a try.

 

Dayn

There is a fan update of TellMeWhen that has tracking by SpellId. Unfortunately, it's still unable to distinguish between the two versions of Unholy Strength because internally it converts the SpellId you enter into a buff name and then looks for that name in your list of buffs.

 

Valkyre

Debuff Filter tracks both "Unholy Strength"s seperatly:

 

Narcoma

As with the TellMeWhen Update, PowerAuras converts the SpellID into a the name of the buff, so unfortunately that's not working either.

 

Dwwimm

Classtimer is showing the different buffs with I II after the name without any further configuration.

 

klif

Is there still someone working on the OP? Just wondering if there is a sigil for 17/54 thats best for this spec?

 

Milaz_

Answer : Virulence > VH > Awareness (according to the simulator).

OP :

Do you plan to update the OP Miracleknight? If not maybe someone else should start a new thread. Unfortunately I do not have time to do it myself. The last few pages of this thread are mostly basic questions about the 17/54 spec. Lot of those questions can be answered by Kahorie's simulator by the way. So try to check it out on the sim before posting (and post only if you think that the simulator is way off for some reason).

EDIT :@ Consider and Miracleknight : Sorry then for asking an already answered question (missed it). However, Consider, while the search function exists I suppose we can agree that having an updated OP with the main informations in it is very practical for all the readers. We should expect people to be lazy/miss things in a 50 pages thread (and I include myself).

 

Consider

The "basic questions" flooding the last couple pages isn't a matter of the original post being updated or not. It's a matter of people being unable to use the Search function of the forums. It's their own fault they are so unintelligent as to have to ask stuff which has been answered time, and time again in this thread, when they could spend five second finding it on their own. Not knowing something is one thing, and it's fine. Not knowing something and being unwilling to at least try and find it on your own is another thing, and it's not (or isn't intended to be) acceptable in these forums, although god knows it is in others.

And, besides, there's an entire thread dedicated to answering said basic questions.

Speaking of basic questions/answers, Miracleknight already stated he was working on an updated post. Pages ago.

 

diospadre

He also hasn't logged into the forums in almost 3 weeks.

 

TigrisFrostmane

For Sigil of Virulence and set bonuses, would it be better to switch to 3/13/55 from 0/17/54 once I get my T9 2-set bonus and Sigil of Virulence?

The problem with getting the 2-set in T9 is I lose the 4-set bonus from T8, which is ironically what you'd want in an Obliterate centric spec. However with the T9 2-piece bonus (and new sigil), that's an additional 380, or at least 200 strength at all times, which is huge and would probably make up for it.

Or based on what I've read, does all this simply pull 3/13/55 in line with 0/17/54, and it isn't actually superior?

 

Consider

Once you drop SotVH for SoV, 3/13/55 and 0/17/54 become incredibly close. The gap between the two is, literally, in the double digits. Which is actually superior comes down to the rest of your gear - how much ArP you have, what weapon you use, those types of factors which will favor one spec over the other. The only way to really know which wins out is to use the sim. Due to how close it is, even using WWS/WMO/WoL of different nights wouldn't tell you much, since rng could easily cover the small difference. With the gap being as tiny as it is (and, in my gear's case, actually in favor of 3/13/55 by a whole 5 dps), personally, I would advise going 3/13/55, even if the sim does show it slightly behind. The threat reduction and the less gcd intensive (meaning more AMS/Revitalize abuse) is enough to push it over the top, in my book, but it's as close to a matter of personal choice as two specs can get. Really up to the player.

The t9 2p bonus is about equal (slightly worse, technically, but not hugely so. The difference is the equivalent of maybe 20 ap) to t8 4p. The higher stats on the latter should make it a pretty safe bet to say that it pulls ahead without much trouble but, to be sure, plug your stats into the sim to doublecheck.

Also, for the record, 2p t9 does not have a 100% uptime. It has a 45sec icd which gives it a max of 33% uptime, and more likely around 30% or slightly lower for Unholy.

Oh, I definitely agree that the OP being updated would be nothing but good. Regardless, however long a thread is, a search works just as well. Little reason not to use it. Or for people not to ask easy questions - like sigils or rotations - in the simple Q&A thread.

But, yeah, I didn't realize the OP hadn't been online in two weeks. His last post did say he was working on an update, but two+ weeks without word could be excessive. Bleh. If no one else, I could work on an updated version. Wouldn't be terribly difficult as the playstyle hasn't changed all *that* much - simply substitute Oblit for SS, change the specs/reasoning, change the stat weights/gear, change the sigil order, change the glyphs, and update the gem section to reflect epic gems. Oh, and remove morbidity from the optional talent section. Personally, I would disagree with that having been considered optional in 3.1, but whatever.

 

WillFerrellLuva

Just picked up the sigil of Virulence today and gave 3/13/55 an earnest try. Did pretty well, but I'm afraid i might be missing out on some dps.



Currently in my spec I am 1/1 Unholy Blight, 2/5 Necrosis, and 5/5 Desolation. On XT HM tonight my unholy blight accounted for 2.6% of my damage, and Necrosis accounted for 1.7%.

My question is, has it been shown that 5/5 Necrosis > 5/5 Desloation > 1/1 Unholy Blight?

 

• frmorrison

The OP's armory shows he was active 2 days ago, but not logging in the forums for 20 days means he may be done with EJ.

Also, this thread is pretty huge for someone trying to search (or read through it), so starting a new thread is a good idea imo.
If you want to rewrite (or someone else), I wouldn't list any gear information, just some theorycraft showing comparison between talents (like the two Oblit builds) and the reasons why you don't want to spec 0/10/61 and Sigils comparison is a good start.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

 

Meygaera

I do believe the general consensus is that point for point Necrosis > Desolation mostly due to the fact that Desolation doesn't always have 100% up-time. So yea what you are saying should be correct, but I don't see why you would want to ever drop UB, its a much higher dps increase for just one single point.

 

Kalitari

As I'm speccing to Unholy (for the Ebon Plaguebringer buff to raids) I've been looking around for a solid Unholy spec. I notice there is much talk about the worth of Desolation, Necrosis and even Morbidity, but little or no talk about Wandering Plague.

Wandering Plague is probably a huge DPS upgrade in AoE situations but taking it comes at the cost of not maximizing Desolation, Necrosis and Morbidity. Wouldn't it be actually better to max out those three talents that actually provide to *single target dps* instead of taking Wandering Plague which is pretty much something you only use in trash. We are in business of killing bosses, not taking out trash, after all?

 

• Diello

Even in single target situations WP is worth more than 1% per point. Also, there are enough boss fights with multiple targets that it becomes one of our better talents overall. That's why it's never discussed for Unholy PvE.

 

Kalitari

Okay, I'll accept that explanation and will be trying out 0/17/54 first. Notice that I'm maxing Necrosis instead of Desolation as someone pointed out that Desolation is worth less point-per-point. I'll be glyphing Obliterate, Dark Death and Ghoul... nope, I don't like pestilence for refreshing diseases. The idea of having to wait untill last disease tick and using a no-damage GCD for refreshing diseases sounds like something that will result in actual DPS decrease when considering latency and the usual mobility in raid environment.

 

Consider

Desolation is worth more per point than Necrosis in a Patchwerk-esqe fight and in the sims/on paper. In most circumstances, however, Desolation won't have a perfect uptime, so the two become incredibly close. On a tank and spank like Patchwerk, the difference between the two is no more than 0.10-0.15% dps a point, which isn't really much. Which you max out and which you don't is, once again, largely personal preference. Desolation is better on paper, and gives you theoretically higher single target dps. Necrosis is more reliable in realistic circumstances, and superior on constant AoE such as Yogg+0. To each their own. I prefer Necrosis, myself, but there is no right and wrong answer.

Also, to all the buff talk above, I find it incredibly amusing that the 2p t9 proc is named, you guessed it, Unholy Strength. That + FC + SoV = fun with your addons, I'm sure.

 

sweberry

Desolation/Necrosis is preference.

WP is better than both even on single target.

UB is better than all of them.

GoDisease-glyphing is not a dps-loss for frost-dw and I doubt it is here either, although it's preference and how much you lag usually etc.

And I really do agree: Read OP, search the forum - READ - before you ask questions that has been answered in the OP or a page or five back.

And yes, maybe a new thread is in order if MiracleKnight have dropped from the surface of EJ.

 

Meygaera

GoD is very nice for frost and I think it has high potential in other specs as well. For frost I am able to roll disease from the following buffs:

1008 ap trinket proc
Fallen Crusader
Unbreakable Armor

The trick is just practicing your rotation on a dummy to get a feel for your new rotation (and as frost, weaving in a clean UA). It is nice in AoE situations where your spreading your diseases unintentionally as well. Rolling diseases isn't as scary as one would think, you just need to get used to it. Plus, seeing as how unholy has higher disease damage, I think it could be a worthy contender for unholy.