One possible explanation is that now your maximum runic power is 130. 40/130 = 0.3077

If your runic power viewer displays percentages instead of actual runic power it may feels like you are only spending 31 rp per Deathcoil.

Sure. I placed myself 30 yards away from a target and ran at it. Without a run speed boost, I reached melee ranged in 5.2 seconds. 15% of 5.2 is .78. I had relatively normal latency (152 ms).

Every 30 yards I run without a run speed boost, I lose half a GCD. Every 60 yards I run, I lose a full GCD. Therefore, every 60 yards I spend running during a boss fight without a speed boost, I lose one GCD. A rough guess of my average GCD is 6-7k. This would only count when I am outside of melee range.

Razorscale- If tanks are grouping adds properly, the only time spent running would be going back to Razorscale after getting an Air Buffet once she's grounded for good. This is more than 30 yards, so along with general movement in this fight this is looking like one lost GCD.

Ignis- No.

Deconstructor- RNG based. On average I get hit with three bombs of some sort over the course of the Hard Mode segment. Three segments of 30 yards or so (from when the debuff disperses to the run back) means about 1.5 lost GCDs.

Kologarn- Unless you get gripped three times in one fight, this is a no.

Iron Council- Overload is about 20 yards or so, and doing it on Hard will only usually show you 1-2 Overloads. A loss of one GCD.

Auriaya- Each fear will probably cost 30 yards. Without totems and Lichborne, there's maybe 5-6 fears. This costs you three GCDs. Less if you have totems and 1-2 less fears with Lichborne.

Hodir- No, unless you're breaking out NPCs. This would cost roughly 60 yards per Flash Freeze, so one GCD per each.

Thorim- No.

Freya- If you're cutting down trees, you may lose 30 yards on average per tree. Every two trees is a lost GCD.

Mimiron- This would result in the most lost GCDs, with generally 20 yards lost per Shock Blast. I have limited experience on Hard Mode, but I understand that there is more opportunity for running around during the fight.

Vezax- No.

Yogg-Saron- Beneficial for the brain room moving from tentacle to tentacle and heading back to the brain. It's hard to say exactly how many are lost, but there's at least 3-4 GCDs lost per brain broom.

Algalon- No experience with this fight yet.

It looks like the two points in Imp Unholy Presence could go to Necrosis or Desolation. Necrosis is .2% DPS per point and Desolation seems to be relatively close to that at the moment. So if all those lost GCDs result in more than .4% of your damage done in Ulduar, then Imp Unholy Presence is better for you.

I'm going assume I lost 20 GCDs from no run speed during all Ulduar kills. I did a total of 20,084,236 damage in all Ulduar boss kills.

20,084,236 * .04 = 803,369.44 damage gained from Necrosis/Desolation

10*6500 = 65,000 damage gained from Imp Unholy Presence.

For me it seems not having those two points in Necrosis/Desolation would be a larger loss. I'm not going to assume my calculating was entirely accurate, and some might argue with my logic. But this is why Imp Unholy Presence is mostly a "feel-good" option for me. For some it might mean the difference between life and death during various fights, and in that case it's statistically better for them.

You're at the boss all the time with some smart strafing. It's very much like Hodir.

I switch my presence a few times a Yogg-Saron. It's a huge damage boost.

When I do the rotation in that order, it is available without ruining the rotation. Obviously I would not be using pest in single battles only on multi-mob situations

I am not using Glyph of Disease. I am using the DarkDeath, Oblit, Ghoul majors.


I *she btw* am talking about pest in AoE situations like Auriaya.

I think I might have figured out what the issue was, though until I get back to a fresh XT kill I wont be 100% positive and that wont be till the week of the 24th. I also must say, that really noticed the lack of iUP for the TotC raid. I may swap a couple points around like others have so that I can maybe up Necrosis and get one point in iUP

I don't think I've ever seen it argued (convincingly) that IUP is 1% DPS per point. Here's a very rough approximation: with 2/2 IUP, movement time is shortened by ~13%, so in order to make up 2% dps, 13% of your movement time needs to be 2% of your total dps time. That means you'd have to be moving 13.3% of the time, or eight seconds out of every minute. That's a pretty stunning claim to make about any fight in Ulduar.

Now, this calculation hand-waves over a number of things. For example, a lot of fights have movement time that isn't actually lost dps time, or comes at a reduced cost (being able to DC/IT while you close distance, for example), or moving out of plasma blast (are you really going to stay in for an extra half a second because you run faster?). On the other hand, not all GCDs are equal, and it's possible that your rotation will be interrupted just as your runes are coming off cooldown for a quick succession of three OBs and w/o runic power stored, making you lose more effective DPS than you might otherwise. On average, I don't think these effects will change the bottom line much.

Regardless, it's never going to be worth dropping powerful DPS talents like Necrosis/Desolation for IUP from a pure DPS perspective. IUP is certainly useful for a lot of fights, but in terms of raw DPS, it is never going to be better than the alternatives. The answer to "should I take IUP?" has never been "IUP is always correct"; rather, it's "IUP is a DPS loss but provides excellent utility, so decide for yourself if you need it."

All this discussion also ignores the difference between cat's swiftness/tuskarr's vitality and greater assault/icewalker, but certainly changing your boot enchant is a good way to get some movement speed at a smaller DPS cost.

Just a note, Necrosis/Desolation are closer to .8% dps per point, so two points in IUP is more like a 1.6% static dps loss. So in your calculation, you're looking at 4x more effective damage from necrosis/desolation dropping than you calculated. Alternatively, you could just look at all of your necrosis damage and count 40% of it for comparison (assuming you have 5/5 in the parse you're looking at).

I've always assumed Overload was closer to Shock Blast in damage and that AMS wouldn't save me. Is this true for all three phases (assuming Overload gets his damage buff)?

I mentioned the dying part in my last paragraph. I personally never died during that Ulduar run, and I can't remember the last time I died to some "run or die" boss attack. But because others do, the talent would be infinitely better for them.

Is there any way we could convince someone who is more competent with the simulations to assist in finding some stat weights for the 0/17/54 spec? I've tried numerous times with Kahorie's simulator, and yet every time it seems to overvalue expertise (over strength, which has traditionally always trumped expertise), and given me an odd negative value for some sort of stat. (200ms, 500/1000h lengths). I'm personally interested to see how ArP and Crit line up in comparison to the rest of the stats now, since SS used to do 230% on crits while OB will only be doing 200%, and since OB is now physical as opposed to SS' magic.

Here's a quick one I ran earlier today, 200ms but only 50h. I somehow don't think this is quite accurate though.

EP :AttackPower = 100
EP :Strength = 329
EP :Agility = 72
EP :CritRating = 111
EP :HasteRating = 101
EP :ArmorPenetrationRating = 12
EP :ExpertiseRating = 62
EP :HitRating = 309
EP :SpellHitRating = -45
EP :WeaponDPS = 597
EP :WeaponSpeed = 24675
EP :2T7 = 6101
EP :4T7 = 13389
EP :2T8 = 11525
EP :4T8 = 5084
EP :2T9 = 24067

That could possibly be it. I'm using IceHUD to track RP, so I'll have to see if it does percentages or absolute. I felt like I was getting a lot more DCs, but that is probably a result of CotG with IT.

UPDATE: Yeah you were right, it was my HUD showing percentage instead of absolute. In fact now I specifically recall thinking how convenient it was that I had 100 RP so my percentage readout would correlate to my actual RP. D'oh.

It's probably not that you need end-game gear, it's more likely due to the fact that in 3.1 most Unholy DKs de-emphasized ArP, and since the 0/17/54 uses Oblit, it benefits from ArP a lot more, so the EP values are different, thus your gear is not tuned for it.

If you had 3.1 Blood gear. you'd probably doing much better. Me, I'm in Unholy gear, so my dps is junk now. I love how they nerfed SS to compensate for the BS buff, then they revert the BS buff without removing the SS nerf.

What is arm pen cap for this spec, in and out of raid? i hear 18 percent in 5 mans and 0 needed with raid buffs?

12.5 * 3 = 37.5 * 20% = 7.5% more OB damage (and also some more from BS) - isn't?
Not to mention it is pointless to count as you will wear T9 anyway soon.