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Old 08/15/09, 5:04 PM   #1216
Melchior
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Orc Death Knight
 
Skywall
One other thing I noticed with 3/13/55 on the latest sim was that UP (with 2/2 IUP) parsed very nearly at the exact same level as BP. Using 2H Ulduar set they were about 30 DPS apart. I'm guessing that has to do with the pet calculation changes.


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Old 08/16/09, 9:18 AM   #1217
Chivalryy
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
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hmm i have just swapped to this 0/17/54 spec as well.... not played in a while so i still have my 4 set bonus for my Scourgebourne which is the extra 5 runic power every time i hit OB..

So a couple things if anyone can make clear would be great

First of all do i need to pop HoW in the middle of the rotation if i get extra 5 RP for my OB hits..

And second.. atm i have most of my attacks macroed to pop Rune strike on next auto attack if its become available... is this a good idea or is it just going to mess up my RP and rotations and mean a dps loss in the long run... should i ditch Rune strike altogether?

thanks for any advice

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Old 08/16/09, 10:07 AM   #1218
Karashote
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Troll Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Regarding the 3/13/55 build for 2H unholy with the Sigil of Virulence, I would just like clarification as to why you are to go this spec when you get this Sigil. I have read this thread and have read many things pertaining to this, but I still don't know why i am supposed to changed specs. If i missed it i am sorry for this post.

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Old 08/16/09, 10:20 AM   #1219
Mortak
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Destromath (EU)
3/13/55 pulls even with the new sigil and has some major advantages (aggro reduce, less gcd usage, easier to get IUP)

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Old 08/16/09, 1:39 PM   #1220
drastic
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UP dps better than BP in sim

The numbers that I am seeing while running the sim with 0/10/61 w/ IUP are coming up with a solid +55 DPS or so extra by DPS'ing in Unholy Presence instead of Blood Presence (not even counting the movement speed DPS boost for non-static fights). This build does involve dropping Epidemic for IUP. I always though that it was the generally accepted rule around here that you take IUP for the run speed but still DPS in BP, so that's why I ask.

Obviously the simulation is affected by gear levels (and I've tried 2-3 pretty different gear sets with the same results), but... in general, can anyone else substantiate what Im seeing here? Am I doing something wrong in the sim?

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Old 08/16/09, 2:13 PM   #1221
diospadre
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Adding to what Mortak said, switching from Vengeful Heart devalues Death Coils a bit, making spending all those points to get Chill of the Grave a bit worse.

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Old 08/17/09, 2:46 PM   #1222
Leg
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Human Death Knight
 
Arathor
Trying 1/17/53

I am trying 1/17/53 and seem awesome, just dropped 3 points on necrosis, I prefer desolation because affect better the overall damage and GF.
It seems -8% threat is just what we need and +3% Obli. Crit. Rating works better then well with +3 Crit.Rat. from Annihilation.
Take a look I get about 33-35% crit. rat. with 25 man buffs so Obli criticals will be always around 40%.
I am not sure that – 1 x DC per 2 rotations can afford +6% obl. Crit rat.
On my last raid DC was having also a insane crit. about 60%.
We still too much good on AOE even without the old UB (aoe). WP with the plagues damage increased of 15% do at least 6% from overall dps even on single target fight.
Setting a balanced UH DK with good AOE as well on single target it is a way to go.

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Old 08/17/09, 3:24 PM   #1223
croana
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Night Elf Death Knight
 
Terenas (EU)
Front page?

Thank you for all the effort that has been put into the thread so far!

So...I'm rather confident about what my single target spell rotation would be now, (replacing Obliterate for SS, check), but am still rather confused as to whether or not there are any drastic changes to the AOE spell rotation. If the front page could be updated sometime soon, that would be great. It would answer my question very nicely.

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Old 08/17/09, 4:50 PM   #1224
Leg
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Well AOE stills the same unless for UB, goes like this: IT >PS>Pestilence>BB> RT>BB >DC>OB>BS>DC>BB>OB>DC>BB …. After these make sure your plagues are up on all mobs, keep spamming DC, OB and BB as soon you have the chance.

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Old 08/17/09, 5:13 PM   #1225
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Originally Posted by Leg View Post
Well AOE stills the same unless for UB, goes like this: IT >PS>Pestilence>BB> RT>BB >DC>OB>BS>DC>BB>OB>DC>BB …. After these make sure your plagues are up on all mobs, keep spamming DC, OB and BB as soon you have the chance.
If you are doing AoE as any spec, you want to use Death and Decay. I usually do DnD first, then start that rotation and keep refreshing DnD (assuming the targets aren't moving) if the targets aren't dead yet.

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Old 08/17/09, 9:30 PM   #1226
pessadilla
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I respecced my DK to UH 2H today; I searched through the thread, but I couldn't find a dps value for each point in morbidity, if I missed it I'm sorry. I'm thinking to grab one point from morbidity to get IUP. I am aware they are both personal choice talents, but I would appreciate if someone can give me a dps value for morbidity.

edit: Please delete the post; found answer in the thread.

Last edited by pessadilla : 08/17/09 at 9:35 PM. Reason: Found answer in the thread; please delete the post.

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Old 08/17/09, 9:37 PM   #1227
Mortak
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Dont do it. Morbitdity is one of the most improtant talents.
Single target it provides close to 1% dps per point and multitarget alot more (dunno maybe like 10%).
So there should never be a reason to dropt point out of morbidity.
Rather drop desolation/necrosis.

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Old 08/17/09, 9:37 PM   #1228
Consider
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Morbidity is around ~0.7 - 1.0% dps/point. How much exactly depends on whether you are 3/13/55 or 0/17/54, whether you are still using SotVH or not, and other such factors, hence why a more precise number can't really be given. Even if it falls on the low end of the spectrum for you (you're 3/13/55, you are using SoVirulence, you aren't getting extra RP from AMS, etc), it's still better than Necrosis, point for point (although, admittedly, only slightly so in such a case).

So when you factor in the Death and Decay CD reduction, it becomes pretty clear that Necrosis is a better place to sacrifice a point from. Or Desolation, potentially.

Edit: Grrrr. Lost by mere seconds!

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Old 08/18/09, 1:30 PM   #1229
xstrungoutx
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Well I have been out dpsing Dks who use Glyph of the Ghoul with Glyph of Disease since 3.2 rolled out. I am very surprised no one has suggested it yet. In my rotation I use Icy and PS once then when I need to refresh my disease I do one pestilence which procs my reaping I get my unholy runes from that and 1 blood strike then i get to obliterate non-stop.

It really was not rocket surgery to see how powerful glyph of disease was when I first got the idea but I recommend a few of you test it out because I am out dpsing all the dks who run Ghoul glyph

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Old 08/18/09, 1:34 PM   #1230
Consider
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You trade the damage of a PS, IT, and BS for an Obliterate. You also lose 5 RP/20 seconds. It's really not that big of a damage boost, if one at all. And when you factor in the loss of Glyph of Ghoul (which is huge)?

Yeah, using Glyph of Disease is completely terrible (as Unholy, anyways). It's not rocket surgery to see how weak it is ^.-.

Outdpsing "all the dks who run Ghoul glyph" is doubtful. Parses? Simulations? Math? Anything to support your claim aside from your opinion (which runs contrary to all previous evidence)? Nope. Thus your post lacks any sort of merit.

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