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Old 08/20/09, 3:50 PM   #1246
TigrisFrostmane
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Draenei Death Knight
 
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In the (PS IT BS BS OB Horn DC // OB DC OB DC OB DC) rotation, what's the optimal time to pop gargoyle? I haven't been able to find a good spot where it doesn't mess up my rotation.

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Old 08/20/09, 5:23 PM   #1247
 frmorrison
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Garg would replace a DC.
You want to pop Garg at the minimum when Unholy Strength is up. Garg scales with AP and haste, so other AP buffs helps as well as popping after Bloodlust.

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Old 08/20/09, 6:00 PM   #1248
marvis
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Human Death Knight
 
Frostmourne (EU)
Is BCB really necessary?
My recount shows me, BCB does only 2-4% dmg of a bossfight.
So, why we are not leaving bcb and take 2 points in subversion?
Two points are at least 6% crit on Oblit and 16% Aggro-Reduce.
Try this: 2 17 52.

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Old 08/20/09, 6:09 PM   #1249
TigrisFrostmane
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Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
Garg would replace a DC.
You want to pop Garg at the minimum when Unholy Strength is up. Garg scales with AP and haste, so other AP buffs helps as well as popping after Bloodlust.
Yeah, but which DC? Garg costs 60 runic power and DC costs 40, so like I said it messes up my rotation.

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Old 08/20/09, 6:28 PM   #1250
Consider
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Due to having to wait on random/uncontrollable factors (trinket/weapon procs), there is no specific DC you drop to summon your Gargoyle. If you know you are going to pop it soon (meaning Heroism is going to be blown, your trinkets' ICDs are about up, Fallen Crusader procs, your Sigil procs, etc) just stop DCing (unless you are going to overcap your RP) until you use it. If waiting on trinket procs isn't a problem, or whatever, using it instead of your "first" DC (PS - IT - BS - BS - Ob - DC) works just fine, since you'll have over 60 RP then.

@Marvis : BCB is a better talent, point for point, than Subversion. It comes out to 0.9-1.0% dps/point, whereas Subversion is only a ~0.6% dps/point talent (the exact value of Subversion depends on how much crit your already have, and other such factors). Since I'm kinda too lazy to type out the exact math, WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay shows it pretty well. If you want to dump points into Sub before dropping Chill of the Grave, you're best off taking them from Necrosis or Desolation, both of which are weaker dps talents than BCB.

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Old 08/21/09, 2:29 PM   #1251
DateeForma
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So i was wondering guys. I am rolling with 17/54 2H Unholy Oblit spec. Unfortunately for me im a bit behind on gear so i am working on getting my ArP together. I have the 244 dps 2350 weapon currently . Would it be beneficial for me to downgrade to a 232 dps weapon with ArP or should i stay with my arena weapon. Also completely unrelated to that question i was wondering when and if you guys use haste pots. I am trying to figure out the best time to use them. I know it should be coupled with my gargoyle and heroism most likely. Just wondering specifically how i should go about it to max dps. Thanks in advance.

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Old 08/21/09, 5:23 PM   #1252
pessadilla
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@DateeForma: I would stay with the highest damage weapon. Weapon dps weight's 6.42 while ArP is like 1.77 (my numbers may be a little off, but weapon dps carries much more weight, wich is my point). As for haste pots, you can pop one before engaging, and one when you have all/most of your procs up, right before you pop gargoyle. Since garg benefits from both, AP and haste.

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Old 08/21/09, 9:16 PM   #1253
sloot
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Unholy Strength

Does anyone know of an addon that will monitor fallen crusader's unholy strength and the sigil's unholy strength separately? My buff filters are currently reading one as the other and vice versa... :'(

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Old 08/21/09, 10:52 PM   #1254
pessadilla
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As far as I know, Because they both have the same name, any addon you get will only show one of them. Eventalert, and Tellmewhen, both only show one of them.

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Old 08/22/09, 12:22 AM   #1255
Savetheday
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Originally Posted by sloot View Post
Does anyone know of an addon that will monitor fallen crusader's unholy strength and the sigil's unholy strength separately? My buff filters are currently reading one as the other and vice versa... :'(
AFAIK Elkanos Buff Bar has been working just fine for me. One is called Unholy Strength the other is Unholy Strength I.

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Old 08/22/09, 8:43 AM   #1256
Fearlezz
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As far as I know, PowerAuras can track spells by their ID, so you might wanna give it a try.

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Old 08/22/09, 10:12 AM   #1257
Dayn
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There is a fan update of TellMeWhen that has tracking by SpellId. Unfortunately, it's still unable to distinguish between the two versions of Unholy Strength because internally it converts the SpellId you enter into a buff name and then looks for that name in your list of buffs.

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Old 08/22/09, 10:51 AM   #1258
Valkyre
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Debuff Filter tracks both "Unholy Strength"s seperatly:


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Old 08/23/09, 7:35 PM   #1259
Narcoma
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Originally Posted by Fearlezz View Post
As far as I know, PowerAuras can track spells by their ID, so you might wanna give it a try.
As with the TellMeWhen Update, PowerAuras converts the SpellID into a the name of the buff, so unfortunately that's not working either.

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Old 08/24/09, 4:38 AM   #1260
Dwwimm
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Orc Death Knight
 
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Classtimer is showing the different buffs with I II after the name without any further configuration.

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