• vank

Zerack, I'm getting this error when I try and execute the program:

Run-time error '9':
Subscript out of range

This is with your latest version. I had no such problems with 2.0.0

 

Fearlezz

*delete please*

 

• Zerack

It is likely that your status.txt file is not current. Replace it with a blank text file and you should be good to go. I didn't have time to add graceful failure between yesterday and today.

 

filed

I keep getting visual basic errors when trying to install both of the latest versions (Visual Basic 6.0 Tooltip error).

 

norg

Moving the Tier 8 content from the OP:

Tier 8

Horde Unholy

Slot	No restrictions	No Heroic hard modes	No hard modes
Helm	[Warhelm of the Champion]	[Iron Riveted War Helm]	<- Same
Amulet	[Frigid Strength of Hodir]	[Strength of the Heavens]	[Insurmountable Fervor]
Pauldrons	[Conqueror's Darkruned Shoulderplates]	<- Same	<- Same
Cloak	[Drape of the Faceless General]	<- Same	[Drape of the Drakerider]
Breastplate	[Conqueror's Darkruned Battleplate]	<- Same	<- Same
Bracers	[Armbands of Bedlam]	[Bitter Cold Armguards]	[Bracers of the Tyrant]
Gloves	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]	<- Same	<- Same
Belt	[Belt of Colossal Rage]	[Starfall Girdle]	[Belt of the Titans]
Legplates	[Conqueror's Darkruned Legplates]	<- Same	<- Same
Boots	[Sabatons of Lifeless Night]	[Battlelord's Plate Boots]	<- Same
Ring	[Sif's Promise]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Seal of the Betrayed King]	[Crazed Construct Ring]	<- Same
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Comet's Trail]	[Dark Matter]	[Bandit's Insignia]
Weapon	[Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion]	[Hammer of Crushing Whispers]	[Earthshaper]
	-	-	-
Jeweler's gems	Neck; legs; boots	Belt; legs; boots	Belt; legs; boots
Non-standard gems	[Fierce Monarch Topaz] - Head	None	None
Boot enchant	Greater Assault	<- Same	<- Same
Glove enchant	Major Strength	<- Same	<- Same
	-	-	-
Strength	1666	1590	1564
Agility	79	79	10
Attack power	605	605	641
Crit rating	837	705	574
Hit rating	285	269	268
Expertise	11 (Plus 5 from Rage of Rivendare)	18 (Plus 5 from Rage of Rivendare)	20 (Plus 5 from Rage of Rivendare)
Haste rating	241	347	394
ArPen rating	147	64	36
Zerack's score	10150.1	9804.68	9602.94

Notes

• Stats at end of table assume blacksmith sockets and jeweler's gems. Stats are for fully gemmed & enchanted gear with 12/0/59 build as a Blood Elf
• Pre-Voldrethar, orcs may wish to consider using [Worldcarver] in order to make the most of their +5 expertise racial with axes. Runic came up with a good gear set here.
• If you prefer to ensure you are hit/expertise capped, you will generally be able to do this by tweaking gems slightly and using [Bladebearer's Signet] and [Sif's Promise] as your rings. This will result in less theoretical DPS but will give a more stable, less streaky damage style and no rotation issues

Horde Frost

Slot	No restrictions	No Heroic hard modes	No hard modes
Helm	[Warhelm of the Champion]	[Conqueror's Darkruned Helmet]	<- Same
Amulet	[Frigid Strength of Hodir]	[Might of the Leviathan]	<- Same
Pauldrons	[Shoulderplates of the Celestial Watch]	<- Same	[Shoulderplates of the Eternal]
Cloak	[Drape of the Faceless General]	<- Same	[Drape of the Drakerider]
Breastplate	[Conqueror's Darkruned Battleplate]	<- Same	<- Same
Bracers	[Decimator's Armguards]	[Bitter Cold Armguards]	[Decimator's Armguards]
Gloves	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]	<- Same	<- Same
Belt	[Starfall Girdle]	<- Same	[Girdle of Embers]
Legplates	[Plated Leggings of Ruination]	[Conqueror's Darkruned Legplates]	<- Same
Boots	[Melancholy Sabatons]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Sif's Promise]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Seal of the Betrayed King]	[Bladebearer's Signet]	[Strength of the Automaton]
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Dark Matter]	[Blood of the Old God]	<- Same
Weapon	[Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion]	[Aesir's Edge]	[Worldcarver]
	-	-	-
Jeweler's gems	Neck; legs x 2	Belt; legs; weapon	HEad; shoulders; legs
Non-standard gems	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Head; belt	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Bracers	None
Boot enchant	Icewalker	<- Same	Greater Assault
Glove enchant	Crusher	<- Same	<- Same
	-	-	-
Strength	1651	1564	1560
Agility	101	101	32
Attack power	608	640	548
Crit rating	847	684	633
Hit rating	261	260	271
Expertise	18 (Plus 5 from Tundra Stalker)	23 (Plus 5 from Tundra Stalker)	22 (Plus 5 from Tundra Stalker)
Haste rating	62	66	136
ArPen rating	311	338	343
Zerack's score	10861.6	10470.1	10346.1

Notes

• Stats at end of table assume blacksmith sockets and jeweler's gems. Stats are for fully gemmed & enchanted gear with 17/51/3 build as a Blood Elf
• If you prefer to ensure you are hit/expertise capped, you will generally be able to do this by tweaking gems slightly and using [Bladebearer's Signet] and [Sif's Promise] as your rings. This will result in less theoretical DPS but will give a more stable, less streaky damage style and no rotation issues

Horde Blood

Slot	No restrictions	No Heroic hard modes	No hard modes
Helm	[Warhelm of the Champion]	[Conqueror's Darkruned Helmet]	<- Same
Amulet	[Frigid Strength of Hodir]	[Might of the Leviathan]	[Favor of the Dragon Queen]
Pauldrons	[Shoulderplates of the Celestial Watch]	<- Same	[Conqueror's Darkruned Shoulderplates]
Cloak	[Drape of the Faceless General]	<- Same	[Drape of the Drakerider]
Breastplate	[Conqueror's Darkruned Battleplate]	<- Same	<- Same
Bracers	[Decimator's Armguards]	<- Same	<- Same
Gloves	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]	[Gauntlets of the Wretched]	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]
Belt	[Starfall Girdle]	<- Same	[Girdle of Embers]
Legplates	[Plated Leggings of Ruination]	[Clockwork Legplates]	<- Same
Boots	[Melancholy Sabatons]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Seal of the Betrayed King]	[Power Enhancing Loop]	[Sif's Promise]
Ring	[Strength of the Automaton]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Mjolnir Runestone]	<- Same	[Grim Toll]
Weapon	[Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion]	[Aesir's Edge]	[Worldcarver]
	-	-	-
Jeweler's gems	Neck; legs x 2	Head; legs; weapon	Head; neck; legs
Non-standard gems	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Head; belt	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Shoulders; cloak; belt	None
Boot enchant	Icewalker	<- Same	<- Same
Glove enchant	Crusher	<- Same	Precision
	-	-	-
Strength	1651	1507	1494
Agility	79	85	52
Attack power	351	307	409
Crit rating	831	650	544
Hit rating	261	262	278
Expertise	13 (Plus 6 from VotTW)	13 (Plus 6 from VotTW)	22 (Plus 6 from VotTW)
Haste rating	85	23	149
ArPen rating	469	689	531
Zerack's score	11779.0	11435.4	11299.4

Notes

• Stats at end of table assume blacksmith sockets and jeweler's gems. Stats are for fully gemmed & enchanted gear with 51/0/20 build as a Blood Elf
• If you prefer to ensure you are hit/expertise capped, you will generally be able to do this by tweaking gems slightly and using [Bladebearer's Signet] and [Sif's Promise] as your rings. This will result in less theoretical DPS but will give a more stable, less streaky damage style and no rotation issues

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Alliance Unholy

Slot	No restrictions	No Heroic hard modes	No hard modes
Helm	[Warhelm of the Champion]	[Iron Riveted War Helm]	<- Same
Amulet	[Strength of the Heavens]	<- Same	[Insurmountable Fervor]
Pauldrons	[Conqueror's Darkruned Shoulderplates]	<- Same	<- Same
Cloak	[Drape of the Faceless General]	<- Same	[Drape of the Drakerider]
Breastplate	[Conqueror's Darkruned Battleplate]	<- Same	<- Same
Bracers	[Armbands of Bedlam]	[Bitter Cold Armguards]	[Bracers of the Tyrant]
Gloves	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]	<- Same	<- Same
Belt	[Belt of Colossal Rage]	[Starfall Girdle]	[Belt of the Titans]
Legplates	[Conqueror's Darkruned Legplates]	<- Same	<- Same
Boots	[Sabatons of Lifeless Night]	[Battlelord's Plate Boots]	<- Same
Ring	[Sif's Promise]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Seal of the Betrayed King]	[Crazed Construct Ring]	<- Same
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Comet's Trail]	[Dark Matter]	[Bandit's Insignia]
Weapon	[Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion]	[Hammer of Crushing Whispers]	[Earthshaper]
	-	-	-
Jeweler's gems	Legs; boots; ring	Belt; legs; boots	<- Same
Non-standard gems	[Fierce Monarch Topaz] - Head	None	None
Boot enchant	Greater Assault	<- Same	<- Same
Glove enchant	[Major Strength	<- Same	<- Same
	-	-	-
Strength	1658	1590	1565
Agility	79	79	10
Attack power	605	605	641
Crit rating	879	705	567
Hit rating	245	264	264
Expertise	11 (Plus 5 from Rage of Rivendare)	18 (Plus 5 from Rage of Rivendare)	20 (Plus 5 from Rage of Rivendare)
Haste rating	277	347	394
ArPen rating	99	64	36
Zerack's score	10119.2	9767.83	9528.85

Notes

• Stats at end of table assume blacksmith sockets and jeweler's gems. Stats are for fully gemmed & enchanted gear with 12/0/59 build as a Night Elf with the Draenei hit aura
• If you prefer to ensure you are hit/expertise capped, you will generally be able to do this by tweaking gems slightly and using [Bladebearer's Signet] and [Sif's Promise] as your rings. This will result in less theoretical DPS but will give a more stable, less streaky damage style and no rotation issues
• Add 5 to expertise totals for dwarves if using a mace and make gear changes if necessary in order to utilise that bonus
• Add 3 to expertise totals for humans if using a sword or mace and make the same alteration if necessary

Alliance Frost

Slot	No restrictions	No Heroic hard modes	No hard modes
Helm	[Warhelm of the Champion]	[Conqueror's Darkruned Helmet]	<- Same
Amulet	[Frigid Strength of Hodir]	[Favor of the Dragon Queen]	<- Same
Pauldrons	[Shoulderplates of the Celestial Watch]	<- Same	[Shoulderplates of the Eternal]
Cloak	[Drape of the Faceless General]	<- Same	[Drape of the Drakerider]
Breastplate	[Conqueror's Darkruned Battleplate]	<- Same	<- Same
Bracers	[Bitter Cold Armguards]	<- Same	[Decimator's Armguards]
Gloves	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]	<- Same	[Bladebreaker Gauntlets]
Belt	[Starfall Girdle]	<- Same	[Girdle of Embers]
Legplates	[Plated Leggings of Ruination]	[Clockwork Legplates]	<- Same
Boots	[Melancholy Sabatons]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Sif's Promise]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Seal of the Betrayed King]	[Strength of the Automaton]	<- Same
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Dark Matter]	[Blood of the Old God]	<- Same
Weapon	[Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion]	[Aesir's Edge]	[Worldcarver]
	-	-	-
Jeweler's gems	Legs x 2; ring	Belt; legs; weapon
Non-standard gems	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Head; bracers; belt; legs	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Bracers	None
Boot enchant	Greater Assault	<- Same	<- Same
Glove enchant	Crusher	<- Same	<- Same
	-	-	-
Strength	1651	1502	1479
Agility	101	143	74
Attack power	605	750	658
Crit rating	877	689	622
Hit rating	229	230	243
Expertise	18 (Plus 5 from Tundra Stalker)	18 (Plus 5 from Tundra Stalker)	22 (Plus 5 from Tundra Stalker)
Haste rating	62	0	70
ArPen rating	299	440	458
Zerack's score	10820.7	10437.6	10054.1

Notes

• Stats at end of table assume blacksmith sockets and jeweler's gems. Stats are for fully gemmed & enchanted gear with 17/51/3 build as a Night Elf with the Draenei hit aura
• If you prefer to ensure you are hit/expertise capped, you will generally be able to do this by tweaking gems slightly and using [Bladebearer's Signet] and [Sif's Promise] as your rings. This will result in less theoretical DPS but will give a more stable, less streaky damage style and no rotation issues
• For the 'No Hard Modes' set, humans and dwarves will probably want to use [Earthshaper] over Worldcarver due to their expertise racial bonuses. if so swap in Tier 8 leggings and ditch the Clockworks
• Add 5 to expertise totals for dwarves if using a mace and make gear changes if necessary in order to utilise that bonus
• Add 3 to expertise totals for humans if using a sword or mace and make the same alteration if necessary

Alliance Blood

Slot	No restrictions	No Heroic hard modes	No hard modes
Helm	[Conqueror's Darkruned Helmet]	<- Same	<- Same
Amulet	[Frigid Strength of Hodir]	[Might of the Leviathan]	[Favor of the Dragon Queen]
Pauldrons	[Conqueror's Darkruned Shoulderplates]	<- Same	[Shoulderplates of the Eternal]
Cloak	[Drape of the Faceless General]	<- Same	[Drape of the Drakerider]
Breastplate	[Conqueror's Darkruned Battleplate]	<- Same	<- Same
Bracers	[Decimator's Armguards]	[Bitter Cold Armguards]	[Decimator's Armguards]
Gloves	[Conqueror's Darkruned Gauntlets]	<- Same	<- Same
Belt	[Starfall Girdle]	<- Same	[Girdle of Embers]
Legplates	[Plated Leggings of Ruination]	[Clockwork Legplates]	[Conqueror's Darkruned Legplates]
Boots	[Melancholy Sabatons]	<- Same	<- Same
Ring	[Seal of the Betrayed King]	[Sif's Promise]	<- Same
Ring	[Strength of the Automaton]	[Strength of the Automaton]	<- Same
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]	<- Same	<- Same
Trinket	[Mjolnir Runestone]	<- Same	[Grim Toll]
Weapon	[Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion]	[Aesir's Edge]	[Worldcarver]
	-	-	-
Jeweler's gems	Head; legs x 2	Head; legs; weapon	Head; shoulders; legs
Non-standard gems	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Head; belt	[Etched Monarch Topaz] - Cloak; bracers; belt	None
Boot enchant	Icewalker	<- Same	Greater Assault
Glove enchant	Crusher	<- Same	<- Same
	-	-	-
Strength	1622	1541	1508
Agility	79	85	52
Attack power	351	351	369
Crit rating	768	725	686
Hit rating	233	229	228
Expertise	13 (Plus 6 from VotTW)	18 (Plus 6 from VotTW)	21 (Plus 6 from VotTW)
Haste rating	141	79	159
ArPen rating	484	545	453
Zerack's score	11748.2	11625.2	11248.5

Notes

• Stats at end of table assume blacksmith sockets and jeweler's gems. Stats are for fully gemmed & enchanted gear with 51/0/20 build as a Night Elf with the Draenei hit aura
• If you prefer to ensure you are hit/expertise capped, you will generally be able to do this by tweaking gems slightly and using [Bladebearer's Signet] and [Sif's Promise] as your rings. This will result in less theoretical DPS but will give a more stable, less streaky damage style and no rotation issues
• For the 'No Hard Modes' set, humans and dwarves will probably want to use [Earthshaper] over Worldcarver due to their expertise racial bonuses. If so, swap in [Bladebreaker Gauntlets] and Tier 8 shoulders and ditch the listed items
• Add 5 to expertise totals for dwarves if using a mace and make gear changes if necessary in order to utilise that bonus
• Add 3 to expertise totals for humans if using a sword or mace and make the same alteration if necessary

 

Mortak

I was wondering, has anyone on the US servers already tested the new dps sigil?
I´m interrested wether the proccchance remained 100% like on the PTR.
If not, what is the uptime/procchance of the sigil now?

EDIT: I found a source in this forum saying roughly 95% uptime for frost dualwield.
But whats the uptime for Unholy? Since your only doing half as many obliterates.

 

Consider

It has an approximate ~80% chance to proc off an SS/Oblit, and only has a 10 second ICD.

The uptime is ~95% for Unholy. So says my WMO from Jaraxxus (ignore my poor dps, had to handle interrupts after a rogue went down to something) - WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

_______________

I saw the front page is prepared for an update, which is great. I'm wondering if that also means you have accurate stat weights for the "new" Unholy which you plan to use to generate its new gear list? Until SS becomes viable again, said stat weights should be far different than the previous ones, so I am quite curious to see them.

 

norg

Um...I think that's more of a question for Zerack really. Like I said, I'm totally out of the loop right now so I'm relying on you guys to tell me what gems/enchants/sigils etc are best. I know pre-3.2 Zerack's sheet was using the stat weights provided by Methods, so I don't know if Methods has come up with some new 3.2 weights?

 

Blackteddy

Despite having the same names, the procs from Fallen Crusader and Sigil of Virulence are different buffs. Just tested it out.

Incase some thought one would overwrite the other.

 

• Zerack

Just like yesterday, I've made some more improvements to this utility. Several big things that should make it run much quicker for everyone are included in this update. I've also added an package for manual installation that should ease some of the problems people are having. Here we go:

Installation Instructions

• Download DK_Optimize_v2.0.2.zip (2206 KB)
• Extract the archive and run Setup.exe
• Head to Start-->Programs-->DK Optimize and run the program. Enjoy

Alternate Instructions (if the above fails for any reason)

• Download DK_Optimize_v2.0.2_MANUAL.zip (1069 KB)
• Extract the archive to a directory of your choice. Make sure relative paths are preserved.
• Move the three *.OCX files that were extracted to your WINDOWS\System32 folder. Do not replace existing versions if they are already present.
• Run DK Optimize.exe. Enjoy.

Backing Up Your Existing Data: If you wish to preserve your character selections as well as any changes you made to gear, gems, or weights, backup "weights.txt", "gems.txt", "gear.txt", and "status.txt" before installing, and replace the installed versions with your backups when you are finished. Run the program and your settings should be preserved.

Changes:

• Dual Wielding should now obey the uniqueness quality for One-Handed weapons correctly.
• Corrected an error in stats for Stylish Power Cape.
• Added Caress of Insanity to the list of one handed weapons.
• Added Pyrite Infuser to the list of trinkets.
• Fixed a bug that caused the calculation progress screen to incorrectly display progress in some situations.
• Vastly improved the system for checking sets of gear before gemming. Performance is greatly increased during execution.

Upcoming:

• Leather items will be added shortly so that they can also be calculated into gearsets.
• A reworked results screen will be added.
• Configuration sets that support loading and saving multiple profiles of gear, weight, and character selections.
• Enchant configuration - Enable and disable specific enchants as desired.

Please as always let me know if you have any problems so that I can work them out with you. I'm not okay with people not being able to install this due to my limited knowledge of Visual Basic - I will find a solution that works for you. If you've had problems with the installer in the past, hopefully the manual setup that I've included will be helpful. In addition, please let me know what kind of performance gain you see during the search for candidate gear sets. In my short tests it was quite non-trivial, but I'm unable to run large sets at work. Suggestions are always welcome.

 

• vank

Wow Zerack. The speed is literally a night and day difference. I received no errors in installation and the results page loaded without incident as well. Excellent work.

 

• Asphyxialol

Zerack, it appears your expertise rating calculation is off. My gear only provides me with 169 expertise (which is what the calculator says it gives me) but it then moves on to say that 169 expertise is equivalent to 28 expertise after 5 from talents is factored in, where as in game I only have 24 expertise.

edit: Issue resolved - I had Human selected instead of Blood Elf on accident.

 

• Zerack

I have a busier day tomorrow, but I'll try and get this ironed out. I most likely am doing some fishy multiplication when I convert to expertise. As a note though, the internal value are always in rating, so none of the validity of the calculation should be affected as long as the amount of rating shown is correct. The conversion to actual expertise is only done to display the value at the end.

Another itemization error on Starfall Girdle was also brought to my attention, which I will correct tomorrow as well.

@norg: Regarding weights, I haven't updated anything. It is my understanding that Blood weights remain mostly accurate while the other two specs of course have changed significantly. I've yet to see confirmed weights for either DW Frost or Oblit Unholy. Let me know if I've missed something.

Edit:

@ Asphyxialol - Good to hear. I'll assume this is working correctly unless I see otherwise.

 

Fearlezz

Any ETA on "force expertise cap" and "force hit cap"? Really miss those options. Nice to see such progress, keep up the good work!

 

Laroth

Getting this note "All stats and iLvls must be numeric. Please correct these errrors before saving." with each version of the optimizer. Any ideas how to fix this? I've tried checking all fields in Gem, Gear and Weights sections but can't figure out why it's going on with the note.

Thanks for the great job you've done Zerack, anyways

 

doser

[Titanium Razorplate] and [Titanium Spikeguards] are not listed.

 

kered

I think we need a 0/17/54 build using Obl as a main strike along with the stats weights added to Zeracks tool, I know we can add them in manually but I haven't seen any weights for the new build around yet. Has anyone else? They are probably close to the 0/10/61 stats I would imagine.

 

• vank

A common theme in a lot of the threads is "Does anyone have any stat weights for 'X' build. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but seeing as how everyone has access to the sim, perhaps you can just run it and share your results with the community. If you're getting bugged results, it's a good bet that others are too and that's probably the reason none exist at this time.

FWIW, every time I run the sim for EP values for a non-pet spec (perma Ghoul), I get good numbers. If I run a spec that has Master of Ghouls, I get kooky numbers for hit and/or expertise. I plan on doing a more detailed test tonight and will share what I find if it turns out to be relevant. Is it possible that the new pet mechanics for hit and expertise aren't playing nice with the sim? Just doing some green light thinking.

 

• Zerack

Ah - I neglected to add crafted items it would seem. I will add those to my local copy and it should get pushed out in the next few days when I add all of the leather items as well.

@Discussion: With regards to stat weights - I have actually never run Kahorie's simulator, but as a starting point I could start to request weights for the applicable 3.2 specs. My understanding is that the specs break down as follows:

Blood: 51/0/20 with little variation. Weights should be similar-ish to 3.1 weights.
Frost: I'm no expert on the new frost spec. Someone needs to enlighten me here to which specs are competitive / accepted.
Unholy: 3/13/55 and 0/17/54 are both competitive right now. Weights will differ only slightly, but they will differ.

If this is incorrect, let me know. So, I think we're looking at needing stat weights for 4-5 specs, depending on how the frost tree shakes out. If the speculation about permaghoul causing the problems is correct, can someone who knows the sim provide weights for Blood / Frost? We can at least start there. Unholy players for now can just add some ArP weight to get a rough (very rough) approximation of where they stand.

Additionally - given the T9 4-Piece bonus, is it correct to speculate that this would increase the value of crit rating asymmetrically across the three trees? If so I may need to add additional code or weight sets for a "Has T9 so increase the value of crit" condition since the bonus can't be quantified as just a static value.

 

Faerlun

For unholy, 0/17/54 is currently the dominant spec, but as we reach best in slot from the new instance including 4pt9 it looks fairly likely that 3/13/55 will pass it.

The applicable change for perma-ghoul from this patch is that when a player is hit capped, his ghoul will be hit/expertise capped. so, hit rating will increase in value and expertise should stay the same, along with every other stat other than armor pen and crit. armor pen will obviously increase because obliterate takes it into consideration... from what i've seen and the napkin math i've done it looks like ArP is worth somewhere between 1.5 - 1.7, so 1.6 seems like a reasonable starting point for it until we get some real values. crit will decrease in value because of a lower crit modifier on OB than SS.

EDIT: Actually, expertise will likely go up a bit in value because the rotation is so much tighter.

4pt9 causes diseases to crit. if we assume that all dks have an unholy DK in their raid to provide increased disease damage, then the three specs should all be very similar since ebon plague doesn't actually deal any damage itself. The differences will come from talents that affect disease damage, such as impurity (i think?).

 

Valimar

For Frost DW, the 3/51/17 GoD spec is currently coming out on top as the dominant DW spec for pure damage (for those who don't have to bring IIT to a raid.

 

Infamouse

Is there any weights for the t8 set bonus 2 and 4 piece for frost dw? because i haven't found one yet and it would help a lot with optimizing my gear.

tnx in advance

Infa

 

yoricome

 

Derivel

Pretty sure that you need to be expertise capped for your ghoul to be expertise capped.

 

• frmorrison

Incorrect, you just need hit cap (263 for Horde) for the pet to never miss or dodge. The likely reason is to help Warlock and Hunters, who don't have any expertise on their gear.

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