Thanks!

I think i may still go for Depravity and try to pick up some stats elsewhere, i think replacing [Frigid Strength of Hodir] with [Insurmountable Fervor] would at least be one of those raplcements. Voldrethar is a much greater upgrade for other specs/classes than it is for me, it seems. For me the loss is not significant enough to warrant me taking items over those people.

If you are concerned with fully optimizing your stats as a character and not on a piece by piece basis I would *highly* recommend checking out this post: http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t55505-o...5/#post1225553

The simulator present there is very good at organizing your best possible upgrades, and you are able to individually pick items or discard them from the optimization, so you can use items you already have, or items that would be available (rather than, for instance, hard mode loot or algalon 10m kinds of things). Also, the first post in that topic contains information on what is currently believed to be the best possible combination of gear for each spec with broad spectrums (no restrictions, ie all hard modes and 25m algalon, 10m hard modes, or just no hard modes, etc.).

Perhaps a Dual Wield BiS listing would be helpful? I'll post a chardev link, though they haven't updated talent to 3.2

chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

One thing too would be great is a next BiS items too. So players do not have to make raid wait for number crunching or looking for comparable item stats. Because a friend who plays a shawdow priest said on a forum he goes on they have the top four items along with the BiS items also.

*cough* Loot Rank for WotLK - just plug your weights in there and it will tell you the ranking of all currently known gear. Unfortunately it has coliseum gear on there with no apparent way to turn it off.

You can also import your gear from the armory and get the top 50 upgrades listed at the bottom based on the spread in equivalency points (i.e. excluding coliseum gear my biggest upgrade available is in my boot slot... melancholy from Maly vs my current iron intensity boots from IC... 133 point upgrade according to the stat weights I used).

It was handy for me to tell whether dropping my 25-man dps plate shoulders for 10-man tier and dropping my 25-man tier legs for my clockwerk legplates was actually an upgrade. It seemed like the best idea to me since I'm a little hit starved, but the math behind the stat weights is a nice measurement to have.

It's also nice to have a tool that lets you slide the weights around. If you are way over hit cap for example, you can greatly devalue hit rating by itself so that "lesser" pieces with less or no hit rating migrate to the top of a slot breakdown.

Banner of Victory
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Item Level 200
Equip: Increases your armor penetration rating by 84.
Equip: Each time you hit with a melee or ranged attack, you have a chance to gain 1008 attack power for 10 sec.

Interesting little trinket from 5 man colloseum. Im getting around 381 EP from it...

Anyone else looking at T9 and thinking there's a real possibility that the top blood dps set will use 2 pieces of tank gear?

There isn't. The sheer number of stats you would lose getting 2 pieces of tank gear far outweighs a 1.3-1.7% dps gain set bonus. Gains of that size are iffy when it's just using inferior dps gear let alone going to tank gear.

I'm going to swap from unholy to blood after i start getting a few things from 3.2, and while i would say no to the tank set, the dps set on the other hand is looking very sexy. 64 expertise, (7.81) from the helm alone is a beautiful thing. It's really hard to be anywhere near the expertise cap lately, so this'll be a nice upgrade. 52 hit on the hands and shoulders each will make up for the 60 lost if you were using spiked titansteel/iron riveted helms beforehand plus change. And that's just the 232 set.

Edit: not to mention the 2pc bonus is "a chance to gain 180 attack power from blood and heart strikes" is fantastic as well.

has this been changed? Last i read it was 180 str=360 ap.
Anyway, has anybody calculated a value for the T9 4pc Bonus?

Yeah your right, its 180. Even better. Edited my post.

Those losses are already not worth it. Also you wouldn't take the 4 pc in the first place. Therefore the losses will be even higher.

Agreed the more i run the numbers for it and comparison the stat loss on wearing tank gear isnt exactly huge, a 5%bonus alone isnt going to cut it, Even the best heartstrike non crit would only yeild 300-400 additional damage per heartstike.

The 4item dps gear isnt something id completely rule out for potential bis, its quiet apparent they are still pushing dks to do double disease rotations, and given the nature of spell crits, the potential yeild from dot crits from the T9 4item bonus could be somewhat surprising.
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Is it looking like Greatness is still going to be BiS for a trinket in the next patch?

2nd best so far, to the best of my knowledge. Get used to the idea of still wearing it.

The proc doesn't share ICD with the Paragon trinket?

Sunder/FF do not stack with Armor Pen. The Sunder/FF are applied first, and then your Armor Pen reduces from the lowered armor amount the appropriate percentages.

edit: Meant to report this post not quote it.

Here's something fun for you to look at, our potential BiS weapon in 3.2, pretty nice that they left cappable stats off of it:
Dual-blade Butcher - Items - Sigrie
Justicebringer - Items - Sigrie
Oh, and it's an axe, Orc DKs rejoice!

editx2: They stack but not in the optimal way. If you have 100% ArP (as in via trinket proc) you're dmg will be the same regardless of sunders/ff. You used to be able to push Armor negative, but this is no longer possible as far as I know. Additionally, extensive research into the function of ArP and Armor done by people on these boards showed pretty much most of what Ghostcrawler said was inaccurate.

WoWWiki says it stacks

Let me know when you've got one to test with so we can find out.

DM:G and Paragon will have separate ICD if it works like all other trinkets with different procs (a decent assumption).

Wowikki isn't the best resource, they do stack in a way but not that way shown in the link.

Also realize the proc isn't even the same type. Greatness can be STR, AGI, INT, or Spirit while Death's Choice can only be STR, AGI. In my mind this removes any possibility of sharing an ICD unless Blizz puts one in specifically to prevent people from still using Greatness(very unlikely).

Long time reader, First time poster (2nd actually, but 1st in this thread).

How good is [Pyrite Infuser] ?, taking into acocunt that you can benefit fully from the Hit on the trinket, how much APEP-value Does the Proc add to the points, comparing to [Bandit's Insignia] and the probably better [Dark Matter].

I've read that the IC is 45 sec, so you get a uptime every 50seconds (since it doesnt start imidiatly after the IC is over)
so 1234 x 1 point x 10 seconds / 50 seconds = 246.8

is this a correct assumption towards the proc ?

+ the hit rating -> 95 hit ( 95 x 1.97 APEP ) = 187.15

so is it correct to say that the value of [Pyrite Infuser] is 433.95 ?
if i do quick math on both the others i think they come a bit lower on APEP value.

What do you guys think about this?

[e]: Incase it would make a difference, this is for UH-BiS