That makes sense actually -- I'd had it set to orc, then switched to belf and the expertise didn't change, so I assumed it wasn't working. I'll try them all again using gnome and troll with no professions.

The program seems to be recommending DC:G over Mjolnir Runestone for Blood. Anyone know if that is correct? I was under the impression that Mjolnir was better so I'm wondering if there's an input error somewhere which is under/over valuing one of the items.

Darkmoon Card is still better. Especially when you consider, that those statweights are for Blood DKs under armor penetration cap and you will be clearly above the cap with the trinket.

My problem is the extremly long calculation time. I chose at maximum 2 items per slot and when i use 2 gems (20 str and prismatic), than calculations needs only few seconds. But when i use a third gem like <10STR, 10HIT>, it takes 30 hours or more. Any idea, what i'm doing wrong?

I have been already trying professions, that dont include additional gems like JC and BS.

The reason being is that for every item you have selected the gem has to be tried in every slot with every combination of the other gems in the opposing slots of the item and see if it activates the bonus, and if it does will one of the checked items replace one of the other ones due to the very minuscule stat bonus increase thus increases stat weight and move overall itemization due to improvement in one stat category vs another (as an example one item that offers hit / arm p or crit / arm p such as Bitter Cold Armguards or Decimator's Armguards) and then recalculate the remaining items to re-adjust appropriate requirements (ie hit / exp / soft cap arm pen, etc.).

Now, the simulator attempts to be smart about the use of the gems, ie orange gems will only be used in yellow or red slots, but the calculations still take quite some time when you take into consideration the very vast amount of item combinations possible with only 2 items selected for all possible character slots.

Quick bug report for the gear optimizer. On Windows 7, if you don't run the program as an administrator, it errors out on start with a type mismatch error.

Guildie of mine did some quick testing on t9 2 part bonus, it seems to have a 45 sec cooldown. Which means the stats weights gives the previous page are way too high.

Thank you guys for all of the feedback on the program - I've resolved many of the issues you've stated in the latest release, which I've move to a separate thread to reduce clutter. I'll be checking that for most of the chat regarding the program from now on, but hopefully it'll continue to be of interest.

Regarding professions - since the JC change they are 100% fluff with the exception of Engineering, which interacts with the glove and boot enchants. It's safest to just run them as none/none and leave it at that. The bonuses are very static.

For long calculation times with 3 gems - that should not be the case. Download the most recent update and let me know if the problem persists. The first progress bar does just item checking. The second progress bar does the gemming, so hopefully we can nail it down.

@Norg: The newest version contains what I think are up to date weights for most of the current specs in addition to a huge additional number of items. Let me know if there are problems. Also, to my understanding Blood still uses SotVH, but Unholy and Frost now universally use [Sigil of Virulence], which is available to purchase via Emblems of Triumph.

@Intropy: I will take a look at it. I run Windows 7 at home and have not run into any issues, although I believe I'm running in administrative mode by default.

@Asphyxia: I have corrected the Blood Elf racial problems. All racial stuff should be working correctly to the best of my knowledge. Per your request leather gear has also been added to the pre-loaded gear.

Anyway Norg, I'll stay out of your thread now so you can get back to putting these sets together. Thanks again.

Frost is still using Awareness. Virulence hasn't seen much testing from what I've seen so far in the DW thread, but Awareness is thought to be better from what rough math has been done so far. No one has done any thorough testing and shared their results, though.

As others have noted, haste and hit seem a bit off in this. Here's a post from the Unholy thread (#1214) that may be a bit more correct. People have generally agreed with this weighting, although consensus seems difficult to reach.

The calculation is for 3/13/55, but both oblit unholy specs should have very similar numbers.

Edit: Might as well copy/paste to save time:

Edit: Updated with 2T9 cd and slightly improved weights.

BiS Blood Horde (Orc)

Head	T9 Helm c
Neck	The Executioner's Vice (Heroic)
Shoulders	T9 Shoulders c
Back	Sylvanas' Cunning
Chest	T9 Chest c
Bracers	Armplates of the Nether Lord (Heroic)
Gloves	Gauntlets of Bitter Reprisal (Heroic)
Waist	Belt of the Impaler (Heroic)
Legs	T9 Legs c
Feet	Treads of the Icewalker (Heroic)
Finger0	Planestalker Band (Heroic)
Finger1	Gormok's Band (Heroic)
Trinket0	Death's Choice (Heroic)
Trinket1	Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Mainhand	Dual-blade Butcher (Heroic)

This is about 100% Arp. Gem Arp and Exp, some more if your're not an orc.

T9 2P has a 45seconds internal cd which means it has an uptime of less than a third for blood. So i believe that it has been overvalued in all our simulations for all speccs, especially blood. Doesnt change that you are going to take it anyway, but it should be considered.

If that is true then bonus value goes around 1/4 of previous one meaning it is pretty much same as 4xT8 for Blood and worse (yet not bad) than 4xT8 for OB Unholy.

EDIT: It should look something like that:

	51/0/20	03/13/55
2xT8	100	120
4xT8	135	195
2xT9	130	140
4xT9	270	445

Assuming:
- 45 sec CD on 2xT9
- no CD on 4xT9 (like WP), and WP not procing it

Does it matter though? I've seen people quoting 2-3% increased damage from the 4-piece bonus, so surely you'd take 4 pieces anyway? Or is 4T9 not that good?

If 2xT9 > 4xT8 then we could start using T9 sooner. If it's close then the stat increase probably makes it worth changing sooner anyway.

Its been cut arount 1/3.


When i am telling it has 45 seconds internal cooldown, then i mean, it has 15 seconds uptime and then 30 seconds with no uptime. In the end, it equals for blood to about 60 strength, a little less though (since you might not use instantly heart strike again). It could equal to 60 strength = 171 or still a little less, lets say 54 strength = 154.

Someone would have to test, if it is a sure procc after the internal cooldown.

It has a 50% proc chance on an HS/BS, so it's not a "sure" thing once the ICD comes up. A high chance, regardless.

How are EP values for trinkets calculated? I'm stupid so I figured that greatness is worth 190 str (300 str for 15s out of every 45s), putting its EP at 190 * 303 = 57570, which is much higher than the listed 21774. I have a feeling I just don't know what I'm doing.

Yeah, considered that too but it's still almost 50% off.

Hey norg, thanks for adding new sets to the frontpage!

As of right now, though, you have Peacekeeper's Blade listed as the No Heroic Hardmode BIS chestpiece for 3/13/55 Horde Unholy. I'm rather positive that is a typo .

Nah I figured you'd do more DPS if you stuck a sword to your chest.

(Thanks, I'll fix it).

Your alliance frost set has only 3/5 T9 wasting the 4 part bonus. Is doubt it is worth skipping. It is also better than ~400ap if you run with a unholy dk providing crypt fever.

Thanks, I suspect it's just an input error from me. I'll double check it.

Similar to two posts above, you have the Alliance (Horde is fine) Unholy non heroic hard modes and no hard modes sets with only 3 pieces of t9. Due to the vast strength of the 4 piece bonus (especially for Unholy), I have to imagine this is some type of error, especially since the Horde sets are fine in this regard.

As well, kinda nitpicky, but Lothar's Edge/Mor'kosh, the Bloodreaver are only available from the 10 man Tribute run, and yet are still used in the no hard modes sets. Although my understanding could be flawed, it seems such items should not be included there.

Regardless, excellent work, and appreciated as always ^^.