Just a quick note, since I didnt see it skimming the last page or two, the t9 4 piece doesn't seem to be working. 2 Fights with it on, and not a single crit, or any damage from either that looks like a crit.


Edit: Alright, seems twins and Anub weren't enough testing. Ive managed to get one crit out of about 60 ticks of both diseases on a training dummy. The crit rate is just extremely low.

Has any concrete math been done to determine how the BIS lineup will change come 3.2.2? Or do we still not know the exact estimate on the nerf to ArP?

So has anyone been working on a DW unholy BiS? I always liked that spec and I'm having problems getting a set together.
I would have just used the unholy BiS but since everyone is using OB now arpen is back with that spec. =D
By Unholy DW i mean 0/17/54

Why does the first post say that Sigil of Virulence is better for Blood DKs? We don't use Oblit or Scourge Strike.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't realize this was updated for 3.2.2.

So theres right now NO point in aiming for 4pT9? We only wanted to take it because it was supposed to be a 2% DPS gain and has up to 25% crit chance, but right now, if its that low, i wont tanke more than two pieces of T9.

Well if the 4pc bonus is not working as was initially thought then we need to be able to give it a new stat weight. Once that is done and updated in the Optimizer then I can re-do all the sets and see if it is still beneficial to take 4 pieces of Tier 9.

Looking at the screenshots, +15 str still seems to be recommended for Unholy.

I guess the reason most people use 44AP on their gloves is because a) the difference was extremely marginal IIRC, and b) most people are ill-informed.

Well, thats simply not that easy. First, even when we simply use the stats weights, it would bevery marginal (say 44 and 45) and its only fully raidbuffed with SDK (without SDK, 44 ATP is better).

For me, it's more like a personal choice. Especially since frost and blood benefit better from 44 ATP. If you want to take 15 STR, just do it.

It's low enough that I haven't seen a single crit out of thousands of ticks, whatever the actual chance is it's statistically insignificant.

I was Curious if anyone has run any preliminary Changes on the Unholy BiS sets, from the ptr 3.2 build 10433 changes with dirge/subversion. Having not tested it yet I'm thinking the set would favor the Legplates of Ascension with the tier chestpiece, if I can balance the hit rating out with other pieces. I used my trophy to pick up 245 tier legs and at the moment I'm a bit up in the air on what to pick up which won't be out of my BiS gearing list with these ptr changes coming.

I also just got my 4 piece on live and on test dummy, recount showed over 1100 ticks of both diseases with no crits.

The low crit rate of the 4pc bonus should be fixed with 3.2.2.

Bullshot, over at the Best Possible DPS in Shandaras WotLK Spreadsheet posted an image that pretty much proves the 2 Death's trinkets can proc together.

Hi folks, I have a question about the proc when using 2p T9:

I discovered that the german tooltip and the english one are very different. The german says "whenever you use bs / hs..." but the english one says "there is a chance when you use..."

Anyone made the discovery what the chance is? Uptime? PPM?

Was just a bit disturbing for me after reading the german tooltip and testing with bloodstrike, that the Proc was not occuring every time...

The proc chance is 50% upon using either Heart Strike or Blood Strike, the effect lasts 15 seconds with an internal cooldown of 45 seconds.

The bonus favors Bloood DKs more since HS is used 6 times in a standard rotation ( with GoDD ) compared to 2 BS per rotation for Unholy/Frost specs.

Delete please, misread.

They're both in my Unholy BiS set.
The sets for orcs are very different, since you heavyly overcap Exp and most non-set items have it on them.

Pretty sure I included all non-Heroic and Heroic equivalents when I ran the calcs, apart from Death's Choice since at the time people assumed you couldn't use both. I'll double check though.

edit: Yeah I just double-checked a couple of sets and it was still preferring Heroic Carnivorous/Gormok's over the non-Heroic RotVT so I'm guessing they're all ok.

Technically speaking GoD Frost DW'ers benefit from the setbonus even less, since they use one BS every 20 seconds.

Zerack's Optimizer is giving me fits trying to get BiS setup. Does anyone or has anyone run the numbers on Shadowfrost 2.0?

I guess we can just wait until the unholy 2H numbers are updated to ScourgeStrike, their EP numbers should be closer to ours once more. You may also bear in mind that spell hit is of more importance for us than unholy.

My DK got [The Grinder] in normal and looking at the BIS for 10 man DW Frost it lists [The Lion's Maw]... clearly it is in Heroic but I think they forgot to add a socket to [The Grinder]. It's very underbudget compared to [The Lion's Maw], whereas in normal [The Grinder] is BIS imo.

Normal - [The Lion's Maw] vs [The Grinder]
Heroic - [The Lion's Maw] vs [The Grinder]