Optimal gearing: the BiS thread - updated for 3.3 - Page 26

Afabar · 07/30/09, 5:31 AM

BiS is very dependent of your others equipments. If you take all the "BiS" using only EP value, you will end with too much hit on you. That is why the OP made a compilation using Zerack's gearing spreadsheet, that calculate dynamically witch combination will give the best gear score.

Chocoprins · 07/30/09, 5:36 AM

Originally Posted by Afabar

BiS is very dependent of your others equipments. If you take all the "BiS" using only EP value, you will end with too much hit on you. That is why the OP made a compilation using Zerack's gearing spreadsheet, that calculate dynamically witch combination will give the best gear score.

Well in my case, the Hit rating on the trinket is fully used, i was just wondering how much APEP [Bandit's Insignia] & [Dark Matter] get, and if my calculations regarding [Pyrite Infuser] are right.

Diello · 07/30/09, 10:37 AM

In that scenario [Pyrite Infuser] is the third best trinket behind the [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] and [Blood of the Old God].

Veritas17 · 07/31/09, 12:19 PM

I was curious about what period will this thread get updated with the next patches item info for trying to set up tables with since there is a pretty hefty amount of info for some things already. I didn't know if things were already in the works for updating it or not, I'm just curious.

Also is there a way we can get a general dual wield itemization list in here by chance? It will be a solid subspec so I can see it having a prominent place here.

norg · 08/02/09, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Veritas17

I was curious about what period will this thread get updated with the next patches item info for trying to set up tables with since there is a pretty hefty amount of info for some things already. I didn't know if things were already in the works for updating it or not, I'm just curious.

Also is there a way we can get a general dual wield itemization list in here by chance? It will be a solid subspec so I can see it having a prominent place here.

I posted a few pages back that I'm not playing WoW right now, so I'm not going to work on the thread as obsessively as before.

I still pop by here most days though and I'm more than happy to keep the OP up-to-date, just as long as Zerack's spreadsheet gets updated for 3.2 so that all I need to do is run the calcs and then put the results in a table. Failing that people can just post sets and I'll add them to the OP.

So yeah, I'll keep updating it but just don't expect me to manually beaver away over gearsets like I was before Zerack's sheet came along. As for DW specs - if they're more viable in 3.2 then I'm sure they'll be included.

Zerack · 08/02/09, 1:41 PM

Regarding my spreadsheet - I've got a version updated for 3.2 that is ready mechanically, but it doesn't have items populated yet. I'll try and do that early this week and get it up. My concern is that with some of the profession changes (extra meta gem to consider, using a +10 stats gem is often optimal), that my old system of gemming is going to be pretty time consuming to run.

As such I'm rewriting a followup that should be ready soon as well, but the spreadsheet should function fine (if slow) until that point arrives.

dr_AllCOM3 · 08/02/09, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Zerack

Regarding my spreadsheet - I've got a version updated for 3.2 that is ready mechanically, but it doesn't have items populated yet.

I have your latest version with most known 3.2 items already in it. PM me, if you want to have it.

Soilantgreen64 · 08/04/09, 2:27 PM

With losing the prismatic quality of [Dragon's Eye], the new best Meta Gem in 3.2 should be [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] over [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]. The difference comes down to 21 Agi vs 21 Crit Strike Rating. Since DKs get 1% crit per 62.5 Agi, the [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] gives the equivalent of .336% Crit or 15.4 Crit Rating. So it's a loss of 5.57 crit rating, but you can now use only 1 Blue gem to fill the requirements, so you can in effect use an orange instead of a purple, where you can easily overcome the loss of 5.57 crit rating.

[e]: This has been discussed some in this thread, but it was wrong at the time. Now it is true, so, you know, use it.

Zuu · 08/04/09, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by Soilantgreen64

With losing the prismatic quality of [Dragon's Eye], the new best Meta Gem in 3.2 should be [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] over [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]. The difference comes down to 21 Agi vs 21 Crit Strike Rating. Since DKs get 1% crit per 62.5 Agi, the [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] gives the equivalent of .336% Crit or 15.4 Crit Rating. So it's a loss of 5.57 crit rating, but you can now use only 1 Blue gem to fill the requirements, so you can in effect use an orange instead of a purple, where you can easily overcome the loss of 5.57 crit rating.

[e]: This has been discussed some in this thread, but it was wrong at the time. Now it is true, so, you know, use it.

Using a Nightmare Tear (+10 stats, prismatic gem) to cover all requirements also seems like a reasonable option. That would free up a socket that would otherwise require a blue/yellow gem, in addition to being able to pick up your choice of a socket bonus.

Soilantgreen64 · 08/04/09, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Zuu

Using a Nightmare Tear (+10 stats, prismatic gem) to cover all requirements also seems like a reasonable option. That would free up a socket that would otherwise require a blue/yellow gem, in addition to being able to pick up your choice of a socket bonus.

Well, that just makes things a little more complicated. Using the 3.1 stat weights, if you are under hit capped (if you can get full use of a STR/HIT orange gem), using [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] with the 10 STR/10 Hit Orange will be best. If you are over hit capped, using the [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] + 2 nightmare tears will be best. When the Dragon's Eye change was announced I advocated using Enchanted Tears, so shame on me for glossing over the the Nightmare Tears.

[e] Due to the post below me, if they are in fact Unique-Equipped on live than [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] with 1 Nightmare Tear, a Str gem, and a Str/(whatever stat you need) will be the best set up.

Blackteddy · 08/04/09, 3:00 PM

According to ptr.wowhead.com, Nightmare Tears are unique-equipped.

Zuu · 08/04/09, 3:21 PM

The Nightmare Tear is indeed a unique-equip. I was suggesting utilizing it with the Relentless Earthsiege Diamond. As far as I know, since it is a prismatic gem, one Nightmare Tear alone should cover all three requirements for the meta (that is, it should count as a blue, red, and yellow gem).

Krom[Fenris] · 08/04/09, 4:24 PM

You also have to remember that the crit derived from [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] only affect melee hits, whereas the crit from [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] affects both spell and melee attacks.

Kaejin · 08/04/09, 5:41 PM

Well, in Blood's case, melee makes up a large majority of attacks made, meaning it would only affect Death Coil (around 12% of your dps) and Icy Touch (which is negligible).

For frost, crit rating is greatly devalued all-around due to talents. Howling Blast is the only spell that you would really care about the crit rate of, and in 3.2 the rotations so far have been calling for Rime procs to be used along with KM procs, so that's a moot point. Oblit and Frost Strike are both based off melee crit.

Unholy might be the only tree that would be concerned about that, and probably only for the DC spam builds. I don't have a lot of experience or interest with unholy, though.

Amrasellion · 08/05/09, 6:04 AM

Originally Posted by Soilantgreen64

With losing the prismatic quality of [Dragon's Eye], the new best Meta Gem in 3.2 should be [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] over [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]. The difference comes down to 21 Agi vs 21 Crit Strike Rating. Since DKs get 1% crit per 62.5 Agi, the [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] gives the equivalent of .336% Crit or 15.4 Crit Rating. So it's a loss of 5.57 crit rating, but you can now use only 1 Blue gem to fill the requirements, so you can in effect use an orange instead of a purple, where you can easily overcome the loss of 5.57 crit rating.

[e]: This has been discussed some in this thread, but it was wrong at the time. Now it is true, so, you know, use it.

This has always been true for us that aren't jewelcrafters.