There has been specific Blizzard confirmation that they intend to make it impossible to stack Heroic/Normal versions of the same item, yes.

Ok, thanks. I'll amend those sets on Monday then I guess.

Has anyone seen the stats of the new version ?

Source: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Stats on the Ashen Verdict Strength ring

WoW Armory updated with Lich King drops.

He drops only weapons and tokens, with the 25m 2H weapon very high in Expertise and 10m weapon with 0 expertise.

I think the Horde Blood Set 2 should be re-evaluated given the str rep ring now. Currently this set recommends [Ring of Rotting Sinew] and ignores [Ashen Band of Endless Might] which is clearly superior. Swapping the right straight up would also allow the 20 hit from gemming to be replaced with 20 more strength.

congrats on the kid

Heh, thanks. I quite fancy re-subbing for ICC but realistically there's no chance of that happening. Demanding babby is demanding.

Anyway I've now finished updating all the sets with the Arthas loot, so that should wrap things up. Some yet-to-be-revealed socket bonuses might necessitate another update, but if not then I think we're pretty much done here until Cataclysm.

The Horde unholy Set 2. Says it is hit capped but it isn't. It is a copy of the alliance set with 235 hit rating. Just at a glance I assume the necklace is wrong and should be Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard.

I understand you are busy and it was a lot of work to do the post. I thank you and am just trying to help.

Curious, what weights did you use to come up with the Horde Frost set?

Vessyr - thanks for that, I'll re-run that set later and see what it comes up with

vdgmasterx - they're here:

They're probably not at all accurate at this point, but I don't have anything else to go on sadly.

edit: yeah the Unholy Horde 2 was wrong - I've updated it now.

Ok thanks for that. I'll re-run things with those weights and update accordingly.

In the Horde Unholy Set 2 you should be using an Ametrine in the yellow socket on the Coldwraith Links for the 6 Str socket bonus.

Ok updated Frost with those new weights.

Interesting. I'll re-run that to double-check, and if it's still recommending the red gem I'll let Zerack know so he can look into it.

edit: Fuck, I think the problem is that I'm only running with Etched Ametrine checked, and if you're past 8% it's never going to recommend one of those. I'll have to change the sets with whatever Ametrine is best out of str/crit and str/haste in that slot. Nnngh.

Pretty sure anytime you get 3+ Str from socket bonus for a single yellow (double for 2 yellows) you should use an Ametrine. It would give you the option to either drop Icewalker for Assault and use the hit version, or leave the enchant as is and use the Crit version and still remain hit capped.
Looking closer the same should be true of the following 4 items in that set:
Might of Blight
Ashen Band of Endless Might
Polar Bear Claw Bracers
Might of the Ocean Serpent

I didn't look at any other sets due to the fact that this is the one I'm likely to be stuck with for a long time.

Even with the check box error it seems strange to me that the program would recommend putting somewhere to get a 4 Str bonus, but ignore the 6 Str bonus available eslewhere.

I think it's not calculating the socket bonus's correctly because they are still unknown.

You have forgotten [Eternal Belt Buckle].

I just leave this here.

Blood APE Values

Stat	iLvl 264	iLvl 277	iLvl 264 GoD	iLvl 277 GoD
Attack Power	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00
Strength	2.87	2.88	2.87	2.80
Crit Rating	2.03	2.47	2.03	2.43
ArP Rating	3.79	4.47	3.95	4.59
Expertise Rating	3.62	4.18	4.79	5.50
Haste Rating	1.56	1.92	1.56	1.88
Agility	1.46	1.82	1.54	1.85
MeleeHit (<8%)	4.31	5.38	5.46	5.65
SpellHit (8%-11%)	0.18	0.31	0.18	0.26
WeaponDPS	10.13	10.52	10.51	10.63
WeaponSpeed	461.54	493.51	576.92	400.00
Armor	0.028	0.028	0.028	0.028

Stat	iLvl 264	iLvl 277	iLvl 264 GoD	iLvl 277 GoD
AP	0.78 DPS	0.77 DPS	0.78 DPS	0.80 DPS
DPS	1.28 AP	1.30 AP	1.28 AP	1.25 AP

Set Bonus	iLvl 264	iLvl 277	iLvl 264 GoD	iLvl 277 GoD
2T7	68.42	83.78	70.67	85.53
4T7	0.00	8.11	-9.33	-3.95
2T8	67.11	77.03	52.00	60.53
4T8	128.95	151.35	152.00	176.32
2T9	139.47	147.30	132.00	153.95
4T9	207.89	262.16	233.33	281.58
2T10	272.37	322.97	320.00	368.42
4T10	378.95	462.16	386.67	453.95

Tables ripped off without friendly permission from Consider.

Two important notes: First, armor pen and Expertise outrun Strength as red gem stats, therefore gearing and gemming for ArP and Expertise Cap is highly recommended in a pure Blood gear.
Second, aiming for expertise cap makes racial expertise bonuses a complicated issue, why I chose a race without any expertise bonus.

Maybe you can be bothered to build some Alliance or even race specific sets, because I hadn't the patience.

As the GoD build becomes superior during endgame gearing, you should probably take the GoD stat weightings for BiS Sets.

Possible Alliance Set, not 100% sure if it's correct.

264 Set used
277 Set used

Please point me at any false gear or gem choices, although I'm quite confident now, that I eliminated them all.

Edit: Actually recognized, that GoD build APEs differ a lot from the GoDD build's and because this is the favored endgame spec, I added them to the tables.

Edit 2: Reason for the updated ArP values can be found here.

Blood BiS ArP/Hit/Exp capped


This is the above set with a couple minor fixes, for Horde. Set assumes using Hearty Rhino food to ArP cap.

Blood BIS ArP/Hit/Exp Capped Alliance

Set assumes Hearty Rhino to Arp cap and No Draenei. This is my bis under my current raid conditions.

You're overthinking it a bit. The Ally version using Dranei and same gear works out about the same.

remove.