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Defyapathy · 09/19/09, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Liquify

So, according to this, hit then expertise should be gemming priority? I know it used to be str or ArP before 3.2, and I dont really want to dig through 30 pages to get an answer.

You should never gem for hit. Ever. It's readily available on plenty of gear to make gemming for it unnecessary.

Noak3 · 09/19/09, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by Defyapathy

You should never gem for hit. Ever. It's readily available on plenty of gear to make gemming for it unnecessary.

However, if people don't have that gear sometimes they have to gem for hit.
Case in point with me right now- I'm saving up emblems for the hit trinket, but until then to stay capped I need to stack it.

Stabmaster · 09/19/09, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by Defyapathy

You should never gem for hit. Ever. It's readily available on plenty of gear to make gemming for it unnecessary.

No. Gem for Hit if you're under cap and don't have gearing alternatives. Gems are cheap.

Ghrave · 09/19/09, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stabmaster

No. Gem for Hit if you're under cap and don't have gearing alternatives. Gems are cheap.

Just make sure to place your hit gems in items like the t9 helm (Yellow socket for 8 strength.) Gems are your flexibility; make them work for you. It is more important to get stats to the levels that are needed than to gem all one color.

Bonecaller · 09/20/09, 4:37 AM

Originally Posted by Defyapathy

You should never gem for hit. Ever. It's readily available on plenty of gear to make gemming for it unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Liquify

So, according to this, hit then expertise should be gemming priority? I know it used to be str or ArP before 3.2, and I dont really want to dig through 30 pages to get an answer.

Given any gear, you should always try to get to Hit and expertise cap.

Gemming hit and expertise is an option as long as you are below the (melee)hit/expertise cap. It should be preferred.

BIS gear already has some STR/HIT gems in it - to get the socket bonuses with yellow sockets.

Inbreed · 09/22/09, 9:32 AM

Originally Posted by Defyapathy

You should never gem for hit. Ever. It's readily available on plenty of gear to make gemming for it unnecessary.

this is true, with the new gears available, you should not have to gem for hit/expertise...

if you are low on hit, ask your raid leader to put a dranei in your group to get 1%+ hit that mean you only need to have about 230 hit rating or 7% hit.. and if you are doing heroic or unable to get dranei in your group.. there is +40 hit rating food you and consume.

neanor · 09/22/09, 9:32 AM

I just read the 3.2.2 patch notes again and didn't see any mention of the Sigil of Virulence now including Death Strike. Did they remove that change?

Lajiskin · 09/22/09, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Defyapathy

You should never gem for hit. Ever. It's readily available on plenty of gear to make gemming for it unnecessary.

I disagree. You should gem in a manner that provides the biggest DPS increase considering all your available items and socket bonuses. This means getting as close to 263 hit rating as possible (any more hit rating is nerfing your DPS), soft-capping your expertise and then focusing on the stat that has the highest APE value for you.

• frmorrison · 09/22/09, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by neanor

I just read the 3.2.2 patch notes again and didn't see any mention of the Sigil of Virulence now including Death Strike. Did they remove that change?

Patch notes historically forget some changes, this is another example of that. Feel free to buy the Sigil no matter your dps DK spec, since it is now the best one.

tetracycloide · 09/22/09, 10:12 AM

Alright that's enough. Five posters have quoted and responded to Defyapathy on the issue of hit/expertise gemming, 4 with more or less word for word copies of one another. We're all clear on the differences in gemming practices let's move on please.

Sparring For Shotgun · 09/22/09, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

Patch notes historically forget some changes, this is another example of that. Feel free to buy the Sigil no matter your dps DK spec, since it is now the best one.

Not sure on the wording from the patch notes but will this have something to do with it?

•Relics: All buffs provided by relics (idols, librams, totems and sigils) now share an exclusive category such that gaining a buff from one of these items will remove all other buffs gained from items in this category.

bsolar · 09/22/09, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Sparring For Shotgun

•Relics: All buffs provided by relics (idols, librams, totems and sigils) now share an exclusive category such that gaining a buff from one of these items will remove all other buffs gained from items in this category.

I guess this is to avoid item swapping to try to get different buffs from different items up at the same time.

Qrio · 09/22/09, 10:35 AM

Sparing - if I'm not mistaken, this makes it in such a way that if you switch your relic mid-fight while having the buff that relic provides, and change to a relic that provides another buff, if that second buff procs, you lose the original one.

I.e. you can only have 1 buff from this category, even if you switch 2 relics that can proc.

Sparring For Shotgun · 09/22/09, 10:38 AM

so in theory then it wont effect Darkmoon card greatness/ 2pce proc or any other strength proc buff. therefore allowing of those buffs stacking. Its just worded funny i guess

Prinsesa · 09/22/09, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Sparring For Shotgun

Not sure on the wording from the patch notes but will this have something to do with it?

•Relics: All buffs provided by relics (idols, librams, totems and sigils) now share an exclusive category such that gaining a buff from one of these items will remove all other buffs gained from items in this category.

That specific change was aimed more towards Paladins.

One of our Librams grants a block value increasing buff whenever we cast Judgement, while another Libram grants a different BV buff whenever we cast Holy Shield.

Some enterprising Paladins managed to come up with a rotation that would allow them to use benefit from both buffs at the same time, at the cost of some weapon swing damage, since Relic-swaps incur a swing timer reset.

I remember there was similar theorycrafting very early on with regards to using the PvP Sigil with the Icy Touch-Defense Sigil at the same time, except the cost of missing white swings was considered too high.

In any case, this change isn't related to the Sigil of Virulence, and they probably just forgot to make a patch note for it when releasing today,