Blood Simple - The Day The Music Died - Page 61

Bllets · 10/09/09, 9:08 AM

T10 2pcs has been changed:

2 Pieces (Damage): (Updated) Your Obliterate and Scourge Strike abilities deal 10% increased damage., and your Heart Strike ability deals 7% increased damage.

AtheistGod · 10/09/09, 1:19 PM

Using the 51/13/7 has OB giving about 15% more damage(with 2pc t10) than DS. So that + 10% magic damage + 15% IT damage + 3% strike crit has to compete with the 8-9% total dps of Necrosis + BCB 3% STR, massive ghoul buff and 10% DC damage.

So no change to DC, 25% IT damage and 10% disease damage have to be at least 6-7% total dps. That's just not happening in a Blood spec.

Blackat · 10/09/09, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by AtheistGod

Using the 51/13/7 has OB giving about 15% more damage(with 2pc t10) than DS. So that + 10% magic damage + 15% IT damage + 3% strike crit has to compete with the 8-9% total dps of Necrosis + BCB 3% STR, massive ghoul buff and 10% DC damage.

So no change to DC, 25% IT damage and 10% disease damage have to be at least 6-7% total dps. That's just not happening in a Blood spec.

Also OB doesn't give much HP back like DS does. In many fights HP regeneration , while not adding dps, certainly makes healers life easier. Also it enables you to ignore some AOE's and use AMS more efficiently.

Survivability enables you to die less. Imho Dieing less is more total damage in the long run.

Royksopp · 10/09/09, 1:32 PM

Might of Mograine also tips the scales in favor of Death Strike.

51/13/7 is a thing of the past.

Crewell · 10/09/09, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by Blackat

Also OB doesn't give much HP back like DS does. In many fights HP regeneration , while not adding dps, certainly makes healers life easier. Also it enables you to ignore some AOE's and use AMS more efficiently.

Survivability enables you to die less. Imho Dieing less is more total damage in the long run.

The heals from Death Strike isn't so much important to make healer's lives easier as it is to maintain your high life for the Blood Gorged damage bonus.

zombityboo · 10/10/09, 7:19 AM

I don't mean to be a dick, but can we stop talking about and correcting people talking about Obliterate in a blood dps thread? If there's "discussion" happening about Obliterate, it's worthless and belongs in the WoW forum. Let's keep this on-topic.

Khaosknight · 10/10/09, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by zombityboo

I don't mean to be a dick, but can we stop talking about and correcting people talking about Obliterate in a blood dps thread? If there's "discussion" happening about Obliterate, it's worthless and belongs in the WoW forum. Let's keep this on-topic.

Actually the 'discussion' on Obliterate is discussing if it is worth specing into 51-13-7 again and picking up 2/4t9 and 2/4t10 to double dip. But I'll assume you just clicked 'read last page' and got angry when you saw obliterate being discussed, rather then reading the thread as it is intended.

Nahela · 10/10/09, 2:44 PM

Originally Posted by Khaosknight

Actually the 'discussion' on Obliterate is discussing if it is worth specing into 51-13-7 again and picking up 2/4t9 and 2/4t10 to double dip. But I'll assume you just clicked 'read last page' and got angry when you saw obliterate being discussed, rather then reading the thread as it is intended.

The point I believe he was trying to make is that people are looking too hard at something that's simply not feasible. A 10% gain on at most 30% of your damage isn't going to outweigh the loss of stat gain from 4pc T10, 3% damage from 4pc T10, and the loss of more beneficial talents in an attempt to work in the ability.

Argothar · 10/12/09, 3:10 AM

Hello everybody,

First, I would like to thank you all for the effort you're putting in all this testings and variations to pull out most of the specific specc or class

Since I switched to Blood from Frost DW (main reason is 2h axe from Totc25) I kind a needed better opener and rotations 'cause I wasn't used to play blood at all (even frost dw 0.5sec rotation seemed easier). My opener was IT+PS and so on but it feel like it could be better then I red these two posts:

Originally Posted by zombityboo

I've started using GoD regularly as well...
Here's my opener:
DS>HS>HS>HoW>Ghoul>IT>PS>Hyst>DRW>HSx4>DS>ERW>HSx6 (edit: I weave in a pest in there somewhere)

Originally Posted by Invidisus

Use Blood Tap if the first 2 HS do not proc 2 pc bonus. Out of 3 HS, the chance of not having a proc is 0.125 only. Coupled with 80% proc rate on SoV, you could say that ~8.5 out of 10 times, ERW is not necessary to have both procs up using the first set of runes.

With this opener (but using HoW just before entering melee range and BT+HS if needed), most of the time I got all the procs in first hits (Abomination's Might, Rune of the Fallen Crusader, SoV, 2T9) and after it IT+PS and just keep rolling high ap diseases. Really boosted my overall dps. I recommend this opener to all or at least you can try it

Hat down, elitist jerks!

Bonecaller · 10/12/09, 4:34 AM

Originally Posted by Nahela

The point I believe he was trying to make is that people are looking too hard at something that's simply not feasible. A 10% gain on at most 30% of your damage isn't going to outweigh the loss of stat gain from 4pc T10, 3% damage from 4pc T10, and the loss of more beneficial talents in an attempt to work in the ability.

All my simulations show, that 51-13-7 is about 9% behind 51/0/20 without any setbonuses, So you have to ask: Do the set bonuses really make 51-13-7 benefit that much more than ?

No, it's not even close. 51-13-7 will still be far behind since you gain only 1% more damage from 10% more OB damage and i don't see where the other 8% left should be coming from.

edit:
My results for 51/0/20 were 8610 DPS (simulating PDK25 equip) and 7795 with 51/13/7 without/before setbonuses. Both speccs benefit about the same of the setbonuses besides 51/13/7 gets little more from 2pT10 and that makes only one percent of our damage. So theres still a lot DPS lower besides of the sideeffect, that DS also heals you and therefore provides more survivability and you have more burst that doesnt rely on diseases (eg adds that die fast).

Ability	Total	%	Landed	Hit%	Crit%	Miss%	Average
Main Hand	16437182505	29,3	2583826	61	39	0	6361,6
Heart Strike	16109721816	28,7	1928807	49	51	0	8352,2
Obliterate	6142183026	10,9	642936	48,9	51,1	0	9553,3
Death Coil	5739099825	10,2	1199432	67,2	32,8	0	4784,8
Blood Plague	3082765308	5,5	2232758	100	0	0	1380,7
Frost Fever	3076620212	5,5	2234404	100	0	0	1376,9
Dancing Rune Weapon	3038692907	5,4	1264502	71,1	28,9	0	2403,1
Plague Strike	1312555870	2,3	321468	51,8	48,2	0	4083
Icy Touch	978898787	1,7	321468	67,2	32,8	0	3045,1
Ghoul	205015974	0,4	1615177	87	13	0	126,9
Horn	0	0	277820	0	0	0	0

DPS 7795

Silandra · 10/13/09, 10:50 PM

T10's Sigil according to MMO:

-Item - Death Knight T10 DPS Relic (Obliterate, Scourge Strike, Death Strike) - Your Obliterate, Scourge Strike, and Death Strike abilities grants 73 Strength for 15 sec. Stacks up to 5 times.

Nahela · 10/13/09, 11:51 PM

I wonder if that Sigil will end up going the same route with Heart Strike as the 2pc T10 did.

ultimakaiser · 10/14/09, 1:58 AM

Unlikely, because they intend the slower stacking. HS spam at the beginning would counter the idea of several cycles to stack it up fully. Otherwise they would have to change it for other specs as well.

lawlkn1ght · 10/14/09, 2:59 AM

I know the expertise cap is like 26, but from the gear I have (no gems or enchants) I have 41 expertise. Is the 15 extra expertise doing nothing, or is there some benefit from it?

Slagg · 10/14/09, 3:11 AM

If you always attack the boss from behind you will see no benefit from it.

I just checked your armory and suggest that you craft the bracers that requires crusader orbs or even better, get yourself an DMC: Greatness trinket.