Blood Simple - The Day The Music Died - Page 65

Evilbunny · 10/29/09, 9:23 AM

I was in the same boat with auto attack vs heart strike before I went GoDisease; to be honest I haven't really checked since then. By not using GoDisease you end up losing 1 HS per 20 seconds which might put you over. I wouldn't be overly concerned though, your rotation is fine. Also remember that attack speed buffs, e.g. windfury, are a fairly substantial boost to auto attacks but not heart strikes.

Grasshoppa · 10/29/09, 9:33 AM

Originally Posted by Crimson721

I have a question regarding my damage. After a boss fight I view recount and more then likely Melee is my top damage followed by Heart Strike then Death Strike. Heart strike is suppose to be my top damage, but it's usually 1% or 2% less then my melee damage. My rotation is as follows:

IS PS HS HS DS DUMP DS HSx4 DC

I am not using Glyph of Disease but rather Dark Death, Death Strike, and DRW.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Is the problem in my rotation or my game play?

I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are getting those kind of results. I use basically the same rotation, but my melee is not the highest source of dmg. It could be something with the way your specced, but even then I don't think it should make that big of a difference. You could be low on crit rating and really stacked on str which is causing those results. If that is the case you need to balance things a little. You don't need to stack crit too high because the abilities you want to crit are enhanced through talents quite a bit already.

Slagg · 10/29/09, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Crimson721

I have a question regarding my damage. After a boss fight I view recount and more then likely Melee is my top damage followed by Heart Strike then Death Strike. Heart strike is suppose to be my top damage, but it's usually 1% or 2% less then my melee damage. My rotation is as follows:

IS PS HS HS DS DUMP DS HSx4 DC

I am not using Glyph of Disease but rather Dark Death, Death Strike, and DRW.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Is the problem in my rotation or my game play?

Have you bought all your skills since you specced Blood? I think your rotation looks good and I use the same glyphs as you and my HS damage is always on top.

• frmorrison · 10/29/09, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Crimson721

Does anyone have any suggestions? Is the problem in my rotation or my game play?

I know when I first specced Blood, I forget to train the newest rank of Heart Strike. That may be your issue.

Silarn · 10/29/09, 12:31 PM

I'm going to assume those values don't reflect the 3.3 change to 4T9? That value seems really high for frost fever being removed from the bonus.

I just figure that if you're going to post values that include T10 bonuses, that T9 should probably reflect the 3.3 incarnation.

Zumwaa08 · 10/29/09, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by Crimson721

I have a question regarding my damage. After a boss fight I view recount and more then likely Melee is my top damage followed by Heart Strike then Death Strike. Heart strike is suppose to be my top damage, but it's usually 1% or 2% less then my melee damage. My rotation is as follows:

IS PS HS HS DS DUMP DS HSx4 DC

I am not using Glyph of Disease but rather Dark Death, Death Strike, and DRW.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Is the problem in my rotation or my game play?

I run into this all the time when I spec Blood, its normally due to Windfury or high haste rating. Would not worry about it overly unless you are not pulling the DPS your spec/gear allows.

Crimson721 · 10/29/09, 5:36 PM

@Slagg, frmorrison: I will definetly take a look at that tonight and see if that's the case and get back to you guys. Hard to believe I would be using a lesser rank though..

@Zumwaa08: This I've not considered and I will take a look at the other shamans in my raid to see what totems their using and what it does to my haste rating.

Since you guys have been helpful, I do have another question regarding GoDisease rotation. I've read about the rotation on previous pages, but I want to make it clear from my point of view what the rotation is. I know it's not a strict rotation, but one of priority.

Hysteria + DRW, IS PS HS HS DS DUMP(Ghoul/DC) DS HSx3 Pesti DS HS HS DS DUMP DS HS HS Pesti etc etc.

The reason I have so many DS's is because the DS would replace the IT PS netting more DS's. Is that the correction rotation? Or am I using my runes the wrong way or just a bad rotation for GoDisease?

Flick86 · 10/29/09, 5:53 PM

Since you guys have been helpful, I do have another question regarding GoDisease rotation. I've read about the rotation on previous pages, but I want to make it clear from my point of view what the rotation is. I know it's not a strict rotation, but one of priority.

Hysteria + DRW, IS PS HS HS DS DUMP(Ghoul/DC) DS HSx3 Pesti DS HS HS DS DUMP DS HS HS Pesti etc etc.

The reason I have so many DS's is because the DS would replace the IT PS netting more DS's. Is that the correction rotation? Or am I using my runes the wrong way or just a bad rotation for GoDisease?

Crimson try at least getting a DS and 1 or 2 HS in before you Hysteria+DRW to get all your procs going then apply your diseases so they are nice and buffed. Also it looks like you are using your death runes to DS later on, instead just spam HS more. Alot of the time i find myself sitting on 100 RP, but that's ok since HS>DC. My exact starting rotation is this

DS HS HS Hysteria+DRW IT PS ERW then its just a priority system.

Liquify · 10/29/09, 6:12 PM

Originally Posted by Veldin84

Agility | 1.74
CritRating | 2.36
HasteRating | 1.38

I was curious about this, and though my gear isnt all 245+, I do have 4 pc t9. I run a GoD spec.
My sim:

AttackPower | 1
Strength | 2.87
Agility | 1.63
CritRating | 2.23
HasteRating | 1.3
ArmorPenetrationRating | 2.53
ExpertiseRating | 2.7
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8% | 4.87
SpellHitRating | 4.42
WeaponDPS | 9.17
WeaponSpeed | 183.33
2T9 | 189.66
4T9 | 465.52
2T10 | 255.17
4T10 | 346.55

Before I had 4 pc, i had 1.72 for crit, 1.28 for haste, and 1.21 for agi (note that i upgraded other gear a lot since this previous test). Haste is relatively unchanged, but I bolded it to show that agi is a better cloak enchant.

Spell Hit also seems really off, but I think I'm going to dismiss that as a bug... Sim probably casted Pestilence at the last possible moment or something?

Anyways, I guess with 4pc t9, cloak enchant should be agility (since disease crits seem to go by melee crit%)
Also, str/crit gems seem to be more worth it in yellow sockets with good bonuses, since crit value has increased a lot. For me at least, the 4 str bonus on the t9 yellow socket gloves makes a 10 str/10 crit gem + 4 str > 20 str

edit: this was without checking the "3.3" box in Kahorie's sim

Crimson721 · 10/29/09, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by Flick86

Crimson try at least getting a DS and 1 or 2 HS in before you Hysteria+DRW to get all your procs going then apply your diseases so they are nice and buffed. Also it looks like you are using your death runes to DS later on, instead just spam HS more. Alot of the time i find myself sitting on 100 RP, but that's ok since HS>DC. My exact starting rotation is this

DS HS HS Hysteria+DRW IT PS ERW then its just a priority system.

By priority you mean whenever diseases are about to fall off I hit Pesti? What is done after your hit your ERW, just spam HS? My problem is knowing when to DS and when to HS after I've started rolling the buffed diseases.

Meygaera · 10/29/09, 6:32 PM

You really just want to use whichever runes come off cool-down first. Remember the grace period with runes as well; if you end up using runes right as they come off cool-down, you are better off throwing in a DC and then using those runes to take advantage of the grace period. Be aware of when your disease are going to fall off and double-check to make sure you will have an available blood/death rune to use right before that happens. If you realize that your disease are about to fall off and you have no blood or death runes available, quickly rune tap and get the pestilence in. GoD rotation is a lot more fluid, and less rigid than the standard blood rotation. Bleeding Hearts is a mod that helps with GoD, I suggest trying that out.

Thyrial · 10/29/09, 10:16 PM

Too many DS's crimson lol... Basically if you can HS then you HS. The only time you should DS is when you have Unholy/Frost runes to turn them into death runes for HS (or Pest when diseases are almost up)

Crimson721 · 10/30/09, 11:46 AM

Thanks for the help with the rotation. I checked my HS rank and that was the problem, it was at rank 3.. now it's 6 and of course it's made such a massive difference. Thanks again guys.

Gearbox · 10/30/09, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by Meygaera

You really just want to use whichever runes come off cool-down first. Remember the grace period with runes as well; if you end up using runes right as they come off cool-down, you are better off throwing in a DC and then using those runes to take advantage of the grace period. Be aware of when your disease are going to fall off and double-check to make sure you will have an available blood/death rune to use right before that happens. If you realize that your disease are about to fall off and you have no blood or death runes available, quickly rune tap and get the pestilence in. GoD rotation is a lot more fluid, and less rigid than the standard blood rotation. Bleeding Hearts is a mod that helps with GoD, I suggest trying that out.

Thank you for the reccomendation for that mod, I was looking for something like this for some time, but this has even more involved with the tracking of the atk power that your diseases were applied at. Now to get the author to add more sizing and orientation options.

reflexdk · 10/30/09, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gearbox

Thank you for the reccomendation for that mod, I was looking for something like this for some time, but this has even more involved with the tracking of the atk power that your diseases were applied at. Now to get the author to add more sizing and orientation options.

I hacked mine slightly.

Set the skin to "Flat", then edit the BleedingHearts.lua. Find line 507, and set to: self:GetParent():SetHeight(10)
for a 10 pixel high bar.

But I agree, it's an awesome mod, although it appears to have trouble retaining the disease values for mobs when you switch target. Hard for fights such as Jaraxxus.