I was asking Darkside for his personal numbers. I run Unholy aoe as my offspec simply because I wasn't seeing even remotely close to the personal numbers I was seeing some DK's getting as Unholy so I built an Unholy set/spec and my damage went up significantly (2000-3000+).

I also don't trust WMO since hardly anybody uses it any longer and most of their ladders are filled with corrupted logs that shorten fights. Not to mention the site only wants to work a fraction of the time. WoL is a much better place to find good fights anyway despite it's filtering/search limitations.

Currently DW frost (GoD) competes with 2h UH, and with the nerf to our 4p T9 (I'm assuming it hurts GoD more than 2h UH) and buff to SS; what are peoples thoughts on competitiveness for maximum dps between the two specs come next patch?

@ Raptor : They are not actually nerfing our t9 so to speak, they are redesigning our Glyph of IT so that it increases the damage from FF by 20% instead of granting additional RP, therefore they are simply balancing. From what I have read and seen I don't see any reason why DW Frost will be any less competitive then it is now.

Ironically WMO numbers are about half of the WoL numbers. But yes, I'd use WoL over WMO too - I just didn't know they're putting up rankings now. Excellent.

Yet, Darkside, while UH's dominance is certain, Frost isn't THAT much behind. It's less then a 10% dps difference; the reason you seen an army of 12k UH dps and a smaller number of 11700 dps frost ones is that UH aoe is on demand, while probably those numbers for Frost require some solid luck with Ryme.

That said, Anub Hard is a fight that actually does some justice to Frost.

Hey guys I have a question that should be simple. What AOE rotation as frost is everyone using on Anub? I find myself a little lost on this fight as far as that. Any help would be appreciated.

I stay frost DW (GoD) for all encounters including anub because we do not like/use enhance shamans in my guild so I get to be the icy talons bot. Unholy is definitely superior for this fight if you only look at AoE. As frost though, I always beat the other DKs in damage done to anub directly.

My rotation for the anub adds is more of a priority system really.

You obviously already have your diseases rolling on anub as the adds are incoming. IT on anub as the adds are being positioned to refresh the 20s IIT. Pestilence as soon as the adds are in range (aggro has never been a prob)

If I have all my other runes available, I'll lay a DnD. Most of the time though I don't have a full set of fresh runes and don't enjoy white swinging waiting for them to refresh too often (Empower Rune Wep is especially nice here at times).

Ideally, you'll want to have saved any Rime or KM proc from single-targeting anub and unload those right away. If you have no procs queued, I'll usually launch a HB right away. Even if you just have a KM up, go ahead and HB. If you have Rime but not KM, I tend to offload the HB anyway. The adds just don't live long enough to wait for ideal situations/procs. It is very RNG and can be frustrating going through a full set of adds and not getting a Rime or KM and just 1-2 weak regular HBs, but it's better than nothing.

Keep OB'ing and FS'ing anub and cross your fingers for a rime/km proc before the adds die. Use your HBs as soon as they proc or come off CD. The adds usually only live about 10-20s for our guild which is why I don't necessarily wait for a Rime/KM proc to use my HBs. If yours stay alive for much longer, I'd consider single targeting an add and actually saving/lining up Rime/KMs.

DnD is very strong although not as great for us as UH. It should be at the top of your priority list if a) you have the runes and b) you get a full duration with the adds. I don't think it's worth putting down if the adds are already sub 80% for instance.

You can glyph DnD although I personally felt either RP starved or at an overall dps loss if I dropped a glyph for DnD so I never use one any more. GoD, FS, and Obliterate are the glyphs I use. This maintains the high single-target DPS and doesn't hinder your AoE much at all, you'll still blow every class out of the water if you get lucky and chain 2-3 Rime/KM hits into a single add wave even without laying a DnD.

I use a 3/54/14 spec, which I feel is optimal for all fights but which I don't ever see mentioned in this thread for some reason. I tried all of them and this is my personal favorite, I can't live without the reduced threat on subversion anymore. Check my armory if you want to comment or look @ spec.

Now I don't have a very impressive reported WoL dps for Anub but that's only because it doesn't show 1-5% wipes where I was pushing 10-11k. It's a very frustrating fight at times for frost due to the very large RNG factor, at least for me. /shrug

Beasts and Twins it absolutely does. There is obvious potential RNG with empowers though, but much of dw frost is RNG based. A couple rimes and KMs at opportune times can swing meters substantially.

I know this is not the right place to ask and i'm sorry to do it but there's a question going since weeks: where are the 9.5k+ DPS Frost DW on Anub-25 HM?
I ever play DW at that encounter and it seems incredible the range of DPS shown on that table is cut on half.

Same ilvl should means about same DPS, ain't right in your case? The weapon with higher DPS goes in main-hand.

Same DPS, the slower weapon of them just does have higher max-damage.

But I guess - the slower in this case for mainhand?

@Peinbringer
Yes you use the weapon with higher max dmg on your main hand.

@Altstarz
IIT and GoD don't really sync with eachother well. Even on cleaving fights like Anub you still need to refresh IIT with IT every 20 secs, leaving you with 2 unholy runes and 1 frost rune and making you miss on using 1 unholy rune every 20 secs in your rotation resulting in less GCD's used and less RP gained. I don't really see why you don't drop GoD for GoIT and use that 1 PS every 20 seconds. You also can't keep a buffed FF up since you need to use IT so often. I'd say drop Icy Talons and Imp. Icy Talons and get an Enhancement Shaman or have a 16% WF dropped, or drop GoD.

By dropping IIT you'd also gain talent points to max Necrosis and get points for BCB. If you don't have threat issues dropping points from Subversion to BCB would be a minor single-target DPS gain and on cleaving fights you Obliterate and Blood Strike less since you use runes for HB and Pest, making the passive DPS gained from BCB alot better than crit on OB and BS. Taking all this to account I ended up with a 1/52/18 GoD spec. The talents on Endless Winter and Icy Reach are filler talents for some utility. If I'd change something I'd move points from EW to Imp. Frost Pres for the extra survivability if needed, or the point from IR to HC if you want the talent for some reason.

E: That spec was not pointed only for the Anub fight, but as in general. I am aware that the Blood subtree spec with DND glyph should work better on Anub as Darkside pointed out earlier.

@Altstarz
I'm really curious how you can play like that and perform so well. Lets say on a single target your rotation should look something like this; IT-Pest-OB-BS Dump OB-OB-OB Dump. You miss 1 PS/OB in your rotation and can only pull that 1 OB off once in a minute by using Blood Tap. Using 1 less GCD on your runes and gaining less RP from not using PS and not glyphing IT I don't see how you can manage to pull off enough Frost Strikes while dumping. And I don't think a buffed BP can make up for it either. Can you lighten me up a bit?