I practically never lack for a gcd to either pop a FS, BS, or OB. I don't know how to lighten you up or what you mean? I know its not ideal but since I have to maintain IIT its the best I've come up with for those in my situation. My dps is not a set rotation by any means, but it allows freedom to go with the flow of the fights. None of the fights in TotGC are just stand there and dps in a strict rotation, perhaps I'll see those in ICC.

Typical opening rotation is Blood Fury (orc) & Unbreakable armor/blood tap - then BS to proc the 2pc t9 bonus. Death's choice and DMC:G both proc and give me my max AP to then apply IT and PS. OB BS FS FS. Empower rune wep, OB OB OB, dump. Of course you'll toss in rime/km's as they appear. Then IT as talons is wearing out, pestilence.

Then its pretty much just a priority system.
OB top priority, FS if I have a KM (regardless of spot in rotation), then BS if the blood runes are not death.

I'm sitting here whacking a target dummy using pest with GoD and I'm never sitting with one extra UH rune. It gets used with one of the death runes each time or with the other frost rune that I didn't use to IT. I suppose freedom is my best answer? I prefer the playstyle being able to use one gcd to re-apply diseases rather than 2 and it just works for me better than trying with GoIT.

If I switched to GoIT I'd gain an extra 10 extra RP every 20s, right? So every minute I get almost an extra FS? That means very little to me when I already have enough RP to dump FS every time I get a KM or need to buy a few seconds between rune refreshes. I'd actually consider that a near wasted glyph slot. /shrug

You're basically settling for a suboptimal combination of spec and glyphs to provide buffs to your raid. That's fine but don't advocate this rather suboptimal spec to other DK's trying to convince them to use it. You're probably getting away with it because you're either used to your disc priest/druids loading up your RP but there's no way you have enough RP to fill all CDs without external buffs. GoD and IIT just don't go hand in hand, face it.

But you are using two GCDs: one to reapply Icy Talons and one to pestilence.

I guess I'll just test out GoIT again for next week's raids and see how it compares. I'm not being left with an extra rune and I'm not sure how to illustrate that short of a video. I'm not advocating the rotation or spec, I'm probably in the small minority of top guilds that don't carry enhance shamans and then in the small minority of those using my spec & playstyle. Its sub-optimal but it performs better for me than using GoD than GoIT. I'll just have to compare logs of last week and this week and report back on Tuesday.

Also Lamp, pestilence isn't in my starting rotation until ~20s at the end of the 2nd rune set. We also dont have a disc priest and our resto druid doesn't have the empower talent for gaining RP (forgot its name offhand) so I don't get outside help with RP other than using AMS properly.

I'll report back after testing your suggestions, thanks for the input!

I just got a couple 245 1 handers and wanted to try out a DW spec for my DPS build (i'm a tank normally).

I'm using the 0/17/54 build outlined in the 1st post of this thread but i'm finding that in my rotation I don't have enough RP for all of the DCs listed. This is the rotation I use straight off the front page:


PS IT BS DC GF IT BS DC
PS IT IT DC DC PS IT IT DC DC

On the second half of the rotation I run into a problem.

PS IT IT DC Then the second DC in this part of the rotation I don't have enough RP to execute. I'm always sitting around 10 RP shy of the 40RP mark.

I've been trying to time blowing HoW and BS on entering combat so that I have enough RP stockpiled to make up for it but I have only found that it messes up the first half of the rotation because the Unholy rune BS takes means I can't Ghoul Frenzy.

Am I doing something wrong? The DPS I'm seeing even with this incomplete rotation is impressive and I want to continue using it but I can't even finish the rotation as it stands. I have all the correct glyphs and talents for generating additional RP.

Thanks in advance

Run the priority instead of the rotation, the rotation is only possible with 2/2 dirge.

In my experience Rawr over-values dual wield.
As unholy, it will optimize me with a 2 hander, but plugging in my 2 hander puts me at about 6.8k while equipping my dual-wield set up puts me at over 7k.

I wanted to raise a question, I'm running the 15/0/55 dual-wield build with glyph of DnD instead of IT for Anubarak. I've been playing around with DnD and I'm seeing in stationary, single-target fights, it's a small damage increase if I use a two-step rotation.

IT PS BS PS BB HoW DC
IT PS BB DND DC DC

I usually see an increase of 0.2-0.3% or over 100dps. So far I've tested this in VoA on Koralon, Emalon, trash, and Archavon, as well as dummies. I intend to try it on Gormok next week and Worms during the first phase when we are attacking the submerged worm. I anticipate it should be a very good buff to dps because of the following:
-Gormok does a knockdown, thus interrupting rotations, but not DnD.
-The worms do a knockback, same logic as above.

During any moving fights it may be unwise unless timed right after a move on icehowl, worms above-ground phase, and when no infernals are up on Jaraxxus.

The benefits in this I see are that
-DnD continues to do damage when I am not able to for any reason
-Less GcDs opens up more time to use Deathcoil without clipping into my standard rotation, as well as use HoW if necessary.
-I've heard that DK spells GCD is affected by haste. Can anyone confirm/deny? If so, DnD is a spell, and benefits from this where PS and SS would not have.
-DnD is not based on strike damage, and I'm dual-wield spec.

Thoughts?

So I was bored today and did some testing on the dummy, I knwo not amazing test etc. However I did compare CG vs RI and figured out that RI while being stacked up is not as good as CG, so fights with mutiple target switches, in theory CG > RI due to the fact that CG doesn't require the "Build-up" period. In a straight burn fight, RI is better as you are not target switching and it is up for a large portion of the fight (About a 50-100dps difference it seems). Another point is movement fights, for a easy example Emalon. When you get your 10stack of razorfrost on Emalon then run out to kill the add by the time you get back your stack has only a few seconds left or is gone. Also on that add you are killing you don't have the benefits of a full stack of your frost debuff, while CG can proc and you get 2x 20% bonus to your frost/shadow attacks.

So in theory CG > RI for fights where you will switch targets, so in ToC Beasts, Demon J (Can't spell the name right don't want to fail trying), Faction Champs. In Uld Xt (Kinda, if you want to maximize dps on heart for sure), Kolo, Cat lover, Hodir (A big maybe here, your stack could fall off during flash freeze) Freya, (another maybe), Thorium if you are in arena and yogg as well makesense.

I think where I am getting at is, at least for our current content, ethier have 2 1hrs of the same ilvl/stats with RI on one and CG on the other and swap according to fights or roll with CG, because 3/5 fights in the major raid atm is enough for me and the 50-100 dps loss on burn fights.

Just my 2cents but I thought I'd share. These numbers where produced off a 10min parse on dummies, same dummy. Health etc was checked, CD's used etc.

This was with the IIT spec given.

I was under the impression that for trash or fights where you frequently switch targets FCx2 is the prefered set of runeforges. I don't have any numbers or evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) to back that up.

Maybe he's using...

IT PS BS OB BS
IT OB OB Pest
OB BS OB BS
IT OB OB Pest
etc

Edit:For the record this would actually provide the same RP/20 as a standard rotation, which is 10 less than GoIT, as he said, if I count the RP gen properly.