Question about pestilence.

When you refresh the diseases do they refresh to their original power or to your current stats?. Like if you first applied with loads of procs would a refresh apply them to the same state or your current state.

Same state, if you want to apply diseases with a higher AP then you need to reapply them manually.

Is it worth it to start fights with virulence and swap to awareness after reapplying FF?

IT PS OB BS BS dump
IT PS OB [swap to awareness] OB dump

then just go into a normal GoD frost rotation?

Oh yes, I never considered not using death runes for OB. That would actually work, using the death runes for IT+Pest and using OB for all the U&F runes. That rotation uses the same amount of OB, BS and IT as the standard rotation and has Pest in there instead of PS.

@Altstarz
If you're doing it like this, forget most of what I said. You're missing the PS damage and 10RP in your rotation, but gaining a buffed BP.

@HRAE
I am doing it, you get a 200str boost for your diseases if SoV procs. If it doesn't, you just lose SoA's worth of damage on the first Obliterates which is nothing major. I use ERW at the start to be able to use more Obliterates (3) for SoV to proc. 15 second buffs which procced at the start of the fight should be just about to drop off when I reapply the diseases. Something like this:
IT PS OB BS BS ERW
OB OB IT PS [swap to awareness] Dump, and continue with the normal GoD rotation.

The time used when the last PS lands is almost 15 seconds, so if some of yours procs drop off before you manage to use PS you can change the castsequence after DRW to OB IT PS OB to make sure you apply them in time, but losing 1/3 chance to get SoV for your diseases.
That's how I like to do it atleast.

17% spell hit is 445.94
14% spell hit is 367.25 (Virulence)
11% spell hit is 288.55 (Virulence + Imp. FF or Misery)
10% spell hit is 262.32 (Virulence + Imp. FF or Misery + Heroic Presence)

The important here is that hit is a bad stat to have after melee hit cap. Between melee and spell hit cap STR and crit will be better, and after spell cap any other stat will be better. Its never really important how good a stat is, but how good it will be compared to other options avaliable. So as long as you have the gear to lose hit and gain something better, it will be an improvement. But if you really can't drop it, it's still adding some dps, even if just a little.

One thing i would like to mention about spell hit cap is, even being inferior to STR and crit in a max theoretical perspective, there are opportunity costs from missing a spell. For an ITT build missed IT's will be an annoyance, as you need to always watch them to be sure you react correctly if you miss. For a GoD build, missing a pestilence and have you boosted diseases fall can be really bad (and if you decide to pest early to avoid it you are losing dps by not using your blood runes right). For unholy DW missing DC's hurts a lot, missing IT is harsh if you are using the 10 sec rotation that is already GCD capped, and if glyphed for GoD it's the same deal as frost GoD.

The gap between 263 (8% melee hit) and 289 (a common spell cap) is not huge and sometimes just swaping gear around a little can put you there without sacrificing much.

I just deleted ten consecutive posts for becoming what I like to call a "retard chain." That's when one person asks dumb questions and another person feels compelled to answer them even when the answer would be easily available if the first guy had just spent two minutes searching. I'm sure you can all appreciate that kind of posting causes thread bloat, and thread bloat sucks. Let's try to not have any more retard chains for a while, okay guys? I mean, I know you're DKs and all, but even you should have standards.

First, can you please explain how you verified this.

I understand the implications of spells missing in regards to altering our rotation or the DPS loss from a HB+KM+Rime missing. Given that our melee damage is the top damage (roughly 25-30% of our total damage), why has there been so much debate on "Spell Hit" when our melee swings are the top damaging attack and are missing 15% of the time? From my own experience (311 hit rating), my log reports my melee swings miss 15-17% of the time in full raid buffs. Searching the world of logs, I found a parse from one of the top DPS Frost DW players, showing melee damage accounting for 27% of his total damage, but despite his 356 hit rating (10.86%), he still missed 12.6%. Simulation data from post #1892 shows a melee miss rate of 17%. In discussing the optimal hit rating, shouldn't we be concerned with decreasing our melee misses in addition to the implications of spell misses?

Ive noticed you updated the original post stating last update before 3.3. I was wondering if you planned to update the original post once 3.3 released or if you were remaking a new duel wield post.

Darkside will be posting a new thread shortly, I've sent a request to a moderator to have this thread locked as there really isn't much else to discuss regarding 3.2.2.