I used 200ms latency but I also used 2 and 4pc T8 bonuses which was the difference. I also used the 9.3 simulator so I'll redo it on the 9.4 version to see the difference. When I am done, I'll edit this post. I'll take out the set bonuses for the new simulation.

Ability Total % Landed Hit% Crit% Miss% Average
Obliterate 1867691400 12 390028 57 42 0 4788
Plague Strike 183511909 1 97521 51 48 0 1881
Icy Touch 294435317 1 97512 63 31 4 3019
Blood Strike 416400298 2 195014 57 42 0 2135
Death Coil 1690443177 11 356128 64 31 4 4746
UB 507083616 3 356128 100 0 0 1423
Frost Fever 809204202 5 602235 100 0 0 1343
Blood Plague 804331025 5 598175 100 0 0 1344
Necrosis 736951636 5 1543053 100 0 0 477
Blood Caked Blade 468396279 3 462235 100 0 0 1013
Wandering Plague 652605836 4 485431 95 0 4 1344
Main Hand 2337729354 15 771624 38 42 18 3029
Off Hand 1346094519 9 771429 38 42 18 1744
Ghoul 1953626326 13 2006451 87 12 0 973
Gargoyle 656156178 4 178946 82 12 4 3666
EP Stat DryRun
DPS 7437
Total Damage 14724661072 in 550 h
Threat Per Second 4934
Generated in 1522s
Template :OB001853.xml(C:\Users\Ben\Desktop\DKSimulator0.9.4\Templates\OB001853.xml)
Priority :MyOB001853.xml(C:\Users\Ben\Desktop\DKSimulator0.9.4\Priority\MyOB001853.xml)
Presence :Blood
Sigil of :Virulence
RuneForge :FallenCrusader / FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation :True

EP Stat AttackPower
DPS 7509
Total Damage 14867439835 in 550 h
Threat Per Second 4986

******************EP CALCULATOR************************
EP :AttackPower = 100
EP :Strength = 305
EP :Agility = 97
EP :CritRating = 150
EP :HasteRating = 152
EP :ArmorPenetrationRating = 155
EP :ExpertiseRating = 325
EP :HitRating = 436
EP :SpellHitRating = 219
EP :WeaponDPS = 527
EP :WeaponSpeed = 16666
EP :2T7 = 95
EP :4T7 = 194
EP :2T8 = 202
EP :4T8 = 179

Used the .94 version of the simulator, using a 15/53/3 and still getting off results. Tested at 200ms Latency, 1000 hours.

First, I'll post the dry run.

Now the EP Values. Oddities in bold.

These are the stats that I used, as they're my current, live stats.

Barring the lower than standard DPS results (as I said, I've been out of the game for awhile, and don't have BiS gear, by a long shot), I still can't figure out what, if anything, I'm doing wrong...

It has less to do with any build, but more of a rotation optimization. DW Frost in blood presence has wasted RP/Rime procs because there aren't enough free GCDs to use them all if you are applying PS+IT every 20 seconds. Using pestilence lets you trade your lowest 3 GCDs for 2 of your strongest. Even though a GCD is wasted for 0 damage pestilence, OB+HB is just a lot more damage then BS+PS+IT.

This presumes latency limits you to 12 GCDs per 20seconds. If you could actually get 13, the math would change significantly.

OP updated as much as I could fit in before my raid tonight, thanks again to Darkside for allowing us to borrow his format.

Please send PM's with additional info and or comments regarding the OP. Feel free to nitpick and or send me suggestions for anything. I might be able to fit some more editing in after raid, or at the latest tomorrow.

*Note: Yes, the OP currently has plain text for glyphs/items/spells. In time I will use the Wowhead links to make the OP higher quality.

Thanks!


-Good catch on the AMS soaking section, that's a direct copy of the 2h frost thread. I'll update that when I Can.

Starting at http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t64830-d...6/#post1319408 Astallion and I discussed the viability of Unholy presence and extra RP. The offshoot was its very hard to even start doing more damage in UP., so its unlikely using AMS to generate RP is going to do DW frost much good.

Its possible i will simply delete that entire section. Its a direct port from the frost thread.

I suppose it is less useful for frost DW. But wouldn't it still be decent for unholy DW builds that build as much RP for DCs anyway, since they are using UP anyways.

I believe, there is a clear reason as to why you would want to sim with BiS for each respective spec.

So you know the theoretical limits of each spec clearly, figuring out the scaling between dungeon tiers typically comes from real world playing, afterward.

Stats will vary with gear but weapon dps is capped like the sigil is. I don't see why we don't just save time and go with the best known weapon dps even if it is from the ptr. Same with the tier bonuses. This testing right now is to find out what these builds can do with 3.2 talents, makes sense to do it with the 3.2 bonuses that we will be using. Its not like the limits going to be achieved with Crusader stats but tier 8 bonuses, unless the new tier is really bad.

I can see it from another point of view, we wont have tier 9 the the first week it hits, but we neither will anyone have the sigil. I think if you are going to use tier 8 set bonuses you should limit your self to 3.1 sigils as well unless you are mixing and matching every combination to find the highest number.

If everyone is going to use random stats for the simulator runs we might as well just make a contest out of it who can produce the highest number per spec.

Either that or we should stop adding to the chaos by posting simulator results of random gearsets and go back to preset templates that everyone can use.

I will see if i have some time over the weekend to run some stuff. At the moment i'm to busy with work and raiding.

Anyway if we go for templates I suggest we should go with 3 templates:
- Very low stats, this is a base so you can get a feeling for the scaling of a certain spec / talent.
- Current stats, so we get an idea where the dual wield builds would end up with our current gear level, this gives a good insight in where we stand compared to say 2H builds.
- 3.2 BiS stats, this can be either from what we already know, or by using some extrapolation and fictive numbers.

I know there were some templates posted a few pages back: http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t64830-d...8/#post1322100
But i don't know if those numbers are good enough.

Anyway, if we have those templates and everyone can stick to them. We can either run a certain spec through all 3 templates, a talent through all 3 templates. Or you can compare between builds / talents within 1 template.

Info on those stat sets I made: There is no specific reason/group of items that made up those stats. What I was trying to go for were 3 different situations. One with somewhat average stats Spell Hit and Somewhat good Exp, One with special hit but no spell hit with high Exp, and one with low Exp but somewhat higher Hit. I also added different values that could correspond to some potential changes made between the two, i.e. how you trade certain stats for other. If I made ArP higher with one, the haste would usually be lower than the others.

I just wanted to give some insight into the choice of those stats just to try and defer people from trying to swear by them. They can be helpful, but they were just example stats. We can probably make some more suited stat sets if needed.