Yea well the rotation does not grant as much RP anyway.

IT>PS>OB>BS>BS is 85 RP
OB>OB>OB = 60 RP

You dump RP on 2 FS, sometimes 3 in the second part of the rotation. That is 5-7 GCD per 10 seconds.

In between rune dumpign was often done with the 4xT7 set and with glyph of icy touch (spam build). I doubt it will be needed in T8 unless you use AMS.

Yes, apparently FS is no more the bread and butter of Frost. It's just a filler like DC.

Its definitely more then filler, something like 20+% of your damage will be Frost Strike. Frost Strike and its glyph are going to be major component and contributor to any Frost build. It just Obliterate is now the most important ability. Frost Strike is still much, much better then Death Coil, and still gives Frost the best RP dump by a long shot.

Yea we should come to a few conclusions on builds.

I think for frost the question at the moment is mostly, what a better point investment is. The 3th point in BCB or a point in Killing Machine.

For the current Blood BiS gear i'm getting dps results that only differ a couple of dps (less than 0.5% in most cases), with 5/5 KM coming out as better one.
If I ramp up the gear a bit though, BCB takes over again, but again the difference is still within 0.5% dps.

I would say go with what you like best, but both talents are practically passive, you won't notice a difference either way as far as i can tell.

My guess would be to promote the 54/17 build though, as that gives me over the greater picture better results with the current BiS gear.

So for the front page that should be something like this:

0/54/17

The most promising frost DW spec at the moment. Getting all of the strong frost talents, as well as picking up the talents in unholy that scale well with dual wield.
The rotation focuses on the power of obliterate. Killing Machine and Rime procs are to be used together to get the optimal dps. If rime procs hold it until you get a KM proc, if KM procs save it for a Rime, or let it be consumed by the FS dumps at the end of a rotation.
You can use the generic rotation, if you want to keep things easy. The priority rotation pretty much comes down to the same, but includes the various procs that the frost tree processes.
A guideline for the priority rotation is: Burn your runes first, leave the RP for free GCD when your runes are on cooldown. The only exception is when both KM and Rime have procced.

Rotation:
IT PS OB BS BS Dump
OB OB OB Dump

Priority Rotation (most important at the top):
- Frost Fever
- Blood Plague
- Killing Machine + Rime
- Obliterate
- Blood Strike
- Frost Strike

Presence: Blood presence
Runeforges: FC/RI or FC/FC (RI is better on a static fight, FC on a dynamic fight, if you doubt chose the latter)
Sigil: Awareness

Edit where you see fit, I'm not that good at bringing over descriptions clearly. I always get too technical or try to stuff in too much (often repetitive) info.

I see a lot of people promoting Blood Strike as the 3rd glyph. What are you counting on to provide the debuff consistently? No mage specs FFB anymore other than on Hodir sometimes and ferals don't spec infected wounds.

Good point, I don't know. Didn't thought about that.

Feral DPS doesn't spec infected wounds. If you have a consistent feral tank, then BS is clearly the best third glyph. Otherwise I guess it's between GoDisease (assuming you don't have to provide IIT) and Glyph of IT if you do? Although any time you're getting RP from Rapture or Revitalize now, Glyph of IT would be basically worthless.

My simulations earlier showed Glyph of PS being better than Glyph of IT, but they were made quite some time ago - I still think it's worth checking out at the very least.

It seems that some mages might just be FFB in 3.2. If the damage is competitive with Fire, it would only benefit raid synergy for at least one mage to spec FFB.

It would be nice to be able to correctly model GoDisease in the sim though. I have a sneaking suspicion that it has only slightly higher DPS potential than the current rotation for 0/54/17.

When comparing damaging abilities and cancelling out abilties used that remain the same you get:

BSx1
ITx1
PSx1

vs.

OBx1

Looking at some sims posted back a few pages it appears that the averages seem very similar, meaning that its likely IT-PS-BS closely equals the damage of one OB, but once you factor in the increased change for another Rime proc it should pull very slightly ahead.

This all however depends on the Haste buff coming from another source. I think our third glyph choice will largely depend upon the raid comp and it might not be a bad idea to run around with a few stacks of glyphs.

BS - When you have the snare.
PT - When you have the haste buff and no snare.
IT/PS (whatever sims higher) - When you are missing both of the above.

Actually, due to the extra GCD that opens up, the trade for Disease Glyph would become BS+PS+IT vs OB+HB (with KM Rime higher on priority that would change, and instead you'd gain some fraction of a HB and some fraction of an FS instead). This is however assuming a 12 GCD/2 rune refreshes rotation (which is what you'd get with the 200ms commonly used for sims) - the Disease Glyph loses some of it's edge with lower latencies.

I'm personally hesitant about disesae, simply because we're arguably the bast applicator for the 20% haste buff... I saw some interesting numbers with GoHB , and some math for it earlier, is that just considered a nonoption at this point? ( will post up the numbers I have when the power comes back )