Also remember that your gear stats also come into play for the effectiveness of dps in BP. If you have next to no ARP, then your Frost Strikes will be relatively better then one who does have a fair share of ARP on his gear.

Of course, however it is more accurate than dummy testing or solo-mob short-fight testing.

But ask yourself this - what are we trying to find? Max DPS? That's not a true representation of it. Arguably, what we're trying to find is either "maximum dps within a typical raid environment using a pre-defined set of gear in reasonable / ideal conditions", or "maximum theoretical DPS in an ideal raid environment for an ideal fight with ideal gear"... There are too many variables that affect it in reality.

All calculations and feedback presented need to be taken with a little leniency...

That's because your Blood DK isn't very good. Frost and Blood do similar damage, Blood profits a little from burst bosses.
Go to WMO and look at Vezax Heroic. They're somewhat equal.

Looking over the loot tables for Coliseum 10 and 25, am I missing something or are there no upgradeable 1 handed weapons for us except for a slow axe with haste on it?

Just a note:

I spoke with Consider regarding having DW unholy info in both of our threads, and we decided that we will keep the unholy DW discussion in this thread. It just makes more sense than to discuss both DW and 2handed specs in his thread, especially considering the amount of people who swap back and forth between DW specs to provide raid buffs.

As for weapons from ToC 10 and 25, there are multiple options from the various difficulty settings. I found them quickly on this list. Patch 3.2 - Trial of the Crusader - Loot List


Edit- I'll be updating our unholy DW section with new statweights and the new DC focused 0/18/53 spec soon.

No, there's also a mace, Remorseless.

Everyone with such questions could use the emulator thread.

Could you be more specific? I haven't had as much time as I'd like to update the OP, but I don't think anyone has posted any new statweights in this thread. If you know that they are outdated, perhaps you could shed some light on how you know?

I've been spending my time running unholy DW simulations recently, If anyone has information for frost stat weights please share, simply stating that they are outdated really doesn't help me in keeping the OP updated.

Would it be more beneficial to us, to run the simulator on our own stats anyway? Or is there a follow this path of most likely good dps ?

Can someone give me an estimation of how good exactly is the personal dps of Unholy DW specs when compared to Unholy 2H spec at 4xT8 gear level and higher?

I recently changed from Blood to Unholy to provide the Ebon Plaguebringer to my raid and the end result was that although the raid dps went up my personal dps suffered... I was thinking if changing to DW instead of 2H would allow me to provide higher personal dps in addition to that Ebon Plaguebringer.

Unholy 2H sims for a little bit more than DW UH does. Did you get Crypt Fever from another UH DK when you were Blood? If not just that buff to yourself should bring the specs much closer to each other. Maybe(/Obviously?) you will need some time to get used to the UH playstyle and managing ghoul, garg and everything before this happens, I guess.

Seems reasonable. If you have any questions about gearing or rotation for that you should head over to Consider's Unholy DPS | Out with Scourge Strike, in with Obliterate thread.

Hey,

I really need some help here guys. I've read these forums in and out. I have tried every rotation and spec that is listed here and I still cant break an average 4.5k dps. I am DW frost spec, and I see people are posting over 6k and up. I am using the IT, PS, BS, BS, OB, FS rotation because its the only one that keeps me at 4k - 4.5k in most Ulduar boss fights. On the test dummy in IF, I only get 3k - 3.3k unbuffed. I am DW frost 0/54/17 The World of Warcraft Armory. I really dont kow what I am doing wrong so any help at all will be gladly appreciated.

The only real issue I am seeing gear wise, is that A) your not expertise capped, B) you have a ton of hit (which isn't such a bad thing as alot of people like pushing to spell hitcap) C) only 9% ArP. The biggest issue you need to address is increasing your ArP...That is going to come down to how comfortable you are dropping your 4set.

Apart from that, are you using any tracking addons? Frost is a -very- finicky build that relies on maintaining your runic pairing and (the most common mistake) accepting the fact that if KM doesnt proc, Rime is going to be wasted. Look at your parses, and if ur HB has less than a 90% crit rate, you can identify that as a problem relatively easy.

Well, two quick questions would be:

1. Why are you using glyph of HB? Since you're not specced into the single disease HB-glyph-spec (it's blood subspec isn't it?) - and even if so, the IT glyph would be the one to go. So get HB glyph switched to FS glyph asap.

2. This may sound stupid but; are you just spamming IT>PS>BS>BS>OB>DUMP or are you actually doing the "second" part of the rotation too..?

You should be using RI/FC or FC/FC for maximum damage. With your current gear you should be able to get 4.5k -5.5k dps pretty easily in 10 or 25 man. You do have too much hit as well. Try to lower that for something else.

Use glyph of FS instead of IT or HB, it will provide more dps on single targets.

Probably want to re-gem somethings as well. You only need enough purple gems to activate the meta effect. Otherwise gem red with Str/exp/ArP.

I guess you can say that, although you hardly ever should have a free GCD for HoW (and shouldn't use it if you don't) - you are running in BP are you?

But as Talisman said it's more of a priority-based spec in the end as it comes down to firing of those rimes if you got a KM, and maybe weaving KMs between strikes (as long as you get the grace period on rune CD). A decent addon I used to track KM, Rime and Greatness-proc is TellMeWhen.

I don't know what else I could say without maybe seeing a parse. I recall doing way above 4-4.5k already when I just respecced and was in full UH 2H gear with literally 0% ArP.

I've modified the sim to optionally work with short fights. Frost gains ~30dps from it, while Blood gains over 200dps.
Not really surprising for the well educated DK, that Frost has it's problems with cooldowns and Bloodlust.

In addition to the other's comments, you also should switch your sigil to the Obl one rather than the FS one. As for the dps, we have relatively similar gear, and on a boss dummy with >35% with no debuffs, and no buffs besides HoW, I sit at around 3,800 over a 15 minute period (using UA, trinkets, and ghoul).

Hi! I've been testing different DW frost specs and came down to GoD 3 51 17 build. Thing I wanted to ask is: anyone knows how modifiers from other classes or just gimmick fights affect FF and BP. For example, if I put up deceases when im affected by buff from valk bosses do I keep the double dmg if I refresh it with GoD? Or can anyone just clarify how our deceases work because I play SP sometimes too and their dot buffs are hard to use too.

I am currently speced 13/55/3. I've tried the 0/54/17 spec but have never been able to pull the dps that that the frost/blood spec yields, either on the boss dummy or in a raid (I'm on a Mac so the simulator is not available to me) My armory can be found here. I do plan on getting [Sigil of Virulence]. I do switch out my cape to [Aged Winter Cloak] to increase my ArP but in my current spec the gear as shown on my armory page produces the best dps on the target dummy.

I use a modified rotation of IT, PS (to put diseases up) OB, dump then spam OB and FS until diseases drop, reapply diseases and spam OB when its up and FS when OB is on CD.

I've tried the rotation of IT, PS, BS, BS, OB, dump then OB,OB, OB, dump when I respeced to 0/54/17 but as I said the dps was about 400-600 less than my current spec.

There is another DK in my guild that out dps's me using the 0/54/17 spec and his gear is a bit better than mine but I have more strength than him.

Any suggestions? Should I spec 0/54/17 and forget the low dps on the boss dummy?

Simply put, yes. The unholy talents scale much better in a raid environment.