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micronSD · 12/11/09, 2:19 AM

Originally Posted by Consider

The turning point for Reaping appears to be 2P T10 (or a 3.6speed 262 weapon).

What does that mean exactly? The point where we take Reaping, or drop Reaping?

Yotka · 12/11/09, 2:20 AM

Originally Posted by Alyse

This might seem like a silly comment, but doesn't Curse of Elements also increase magic damage taken by the target by 13%? If so, did the person who calculated the magic damage increase take this into account?

Had thought of it aswell but I guessed his friend was an unholy DK - EbP has the same effect.

If he is an unholy DK there are several possibilities - one of them being that EbP and CoE stack... and that would be simply insane for raid dps. The other is that Spen affects PvE in general once more if there is a possibility of negative Spen.

Could someone with both a Lock & a DK available verify this?

Spen would be the new stat since a 25 Spen gem would be equal to 4.51% magical damage increase.

Yotka · 12/11/09, 2:22 AM

Originally Posted by micronSD

What does that mean exactly? The point where we take Reaping, or drop Reaping?

Take reaping.

2pt10 affects SS - reaping is equal to an extra SS per cycle.

Duskbringer · 12/11/09, 2:24 AM

Duskbringer Scorge Strike
hits 100.0 %
hits 41
average 4205.3

Crits 66
Crit average 10161.6

Information from WoL last night.
BIG difference from crits and normal hit's

Frankdtank23 · 12/11/09, 2:24 AM

Originally Posted by Malcophant

Since we no longer get reaping, it means you have 2x BS instead of the 3rd SS in your second rune set.

Ya, thanks for that correction...

After a brief test on dummies...it almost seems adding in a second SS as in BS BS SS SS then dump for the second rune set works to perfection. Only going BS BS SS leaves one less DC and Im clipping the diseases by a few seconds.

Max zero · 12/11/09, 2:27 AM

Originally Posted by Frankdtank23

So if GoDD seems to stay would that mean the rotation would look like: IT-PS-BSx2-SS / SSx3 / Repeat from start...

If so,

Will there need to be 2 full points in epidemic? From my tests one point seems to cut it with the above rotation.

I personally favor the above rotation over the GoD one as I had trouble on any movement fights with diseases reapplication.

Edit: This wasnt the case as far as epidimic. 2 points is needed. I also noticed that DC isnt utilized as much with the above rotation, and with the nerf to SS, It leaves us a bit crippled imo.

Anyone one come up with any better rotations utilizing GoDD?

From what I can see people are not even taking Reaping anymore so Epidemic is pointless for single target DPS. Epidemic is pointless without Reaping.

IT-PS-BSx2-SS <---repeat

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The freed up points allow you to get 2/3 Morbidity for AoE, Max Necrosis/BA/DC.

I wonder if there is a gear level that Reaping+Epidemic > 5/5 Dark Conviction. Consider says there is but i'm not so sure.

*edit*

After thinking more would it be possible to take Epidemic (but not Reaping) and do a rotation of:

IT-PS-BSx2-SS
SS-BSx2-SS

You would get an extra SS at the cost of a IT-PS (less then 2 BS) and the cost of only 2 Talent points.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Just grab two points of Morbidity. It will hurt your AoE a large amount though.

Frankdtank23 · 12/11/09, 2:31 AM

Originally Posted by Max zero

From what I can see people are not even taking Reaping anymore so Epidemic is pointless for single target DPS. Epidemic is pointless without Reaping.

IT-PS-BSx2-SS <---repeat

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The freed up points allow you to get 2/3 Morbidity for AoE, Max Necrosis/BA/DC.

I wonder if there is a gear level that Reaping+Epidemic > 5/5 Dark Conviction. Consider says there is but i'm not so sure.

Well, Im testing http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...OKc5,HpF,10958 as suggested by Consider. It has no Reaping, yet points in Epidemic. Trying to find a rotation that utilizes such a spec.

Alyse · 12/11/09, 2:33 AM

Originally Posted by Max zero

From what I can see people are not even taking Reaping anymore so Epidemic is pointless for single target DPS. Epidemic is pointless without Reaping.

IT-PS-BSx2-SS <---repeat

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The freed up points allow you to get 2/3 Morbidity for AoE, Max Necrosis/BA/DC.

I wonder if there is a gear level that Reaping+Epidemic > 5/5 Dark Conviction. Consider says there is but i'm not so sure.

Reaping allows you to use 20 second rotations instead of 10 second rotations. The difference is that instead of an IT-PS, you get a SS, which I assume hits harder.

Consider · 12/11/09, 2:35 AM

Epidemic is most certainly not pointless without Reaping. The two are in no way related.

Epidemic gains you 1 SS at the cost of 1 PS and 1 IT every 20 seconds, along with some additional disease damage, for two talent points.
Reaping gains you 1 SS at the cost of 2 BS every 20 seconds, for three talent points.

You can take one without taking the other. Their value, although it tends to go up together (due to the cornerstone being the additional SS), are in no way dependent on one another.

Max zero · 12/11/09, 2:37 AM

Originally Posted by Consider

Epidemic is most certainly not pointless without Reaping. The two are in no way related.

Epidemic gains you 1 SS at the cost of 1 PS and 1 IT every 20 seconds, along with some additional disease damage, for two talent points.
Reaping gains you 1 SS at the cost of 2 BS every 20 seconds, for three talent points.

You can take one without taking the other. Their value, although it tends to go up together (due to the cornerstone being the additional SS), are in no way dependent on one another.

Yeah I realise that now. So the general idea now is get Epidemic but not Reaping but at higher gear levels (2x t10) THEN get Reaping?

Terriax · 12/11/09, 2:47 AM

The main goal is balance, so I'm sure this will either be worked out directly with SS or we'll be buffed in other ways. I was still hitting like a truck tonight in raids (9 pm est.).

arnham · 12/11/09, 2:47 AM

Consider have you done any sims on maxing bladed armor vs necrosis pre 2p t10?

Personally mine are coming out with bladed armor practically on top of necrosis. Largest difference I could manufacture with my stats was a whopping 16 DPS in favor of necrosis (8502 vs 8518). I think I'm just going to go with max bladed armor for now as it should pull ahead with even small amounts of AE, but still swapping the 3 points in reaping to necrosis.

Yotka · 12/11/09, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by arnham

Consider have you done any sims on maxing bladed armor vs necrosis pre 2p t10?

Personally mine are coming out with bladed armor practically on top of necrosis. Largest difference I could manufacture with my stats was a whopping 16 DPS in favor of necrosis (8502 vs 8518). I think I'm just going to go with max bladed armor for now as it should pull ahead with even small amounts of AE, but still swapping the 3 points in reaping to necrosis.

BA vs Necrosis is independant of 2pt10 - depends on Weapon Speed & damage.

Rouncer · 12/11/09, 2:59 AM

Originally Posted by Yotka

A level 83 does indeed have 15 resistance against level 80 player attacks - but it can't be reduced by any amount of Spell Penetration - or couldn't.

If it can be reduced though he should be seeing 75*(15/415) = 2.7% increase on his magical damage.

And if this does indeed work - negative Resistance should be possible with sufficient SPen.

Tested it tonight on a random Onyxia run by sticking a pair of spell pen gems in some old boots. No effect on partial resistances. The unpenetratable resistances remain as such.

Max zero · 12/11/09, 3:01 AM

Originally Posted by arnham

Consider have you done any sims on maxing bladed armor vs necrosis pre 2p t10?

Personally mine are coming out with bladed armor practically on top of necrosis. Largest difference I could manufacture with my stats was a whopping 16 DPS in favor of necrosis (8502 vs 8518). I think I'm just going to go with max bladed armor for now as it should pull ahead with even small amounts of AE, but still swapping the 3 points in reaping to necrosis.

All the theorycraft done over the last few weeks basically matched your results. Necrosis is *slightly* better then BA for single target but BA is better when there is any kind of AoE. Since almost every single boss in ICC has some form of AoE you are probably better off with max BA for now.