Sorry in advance for the long post.

I have made some simulations on different 17/00/54 templates and the 12/00/59 using 2h ToC Blood premade of the sim (with 4 p T9). Latency is set to 100ms, Fight length set to 300s.

Results sorted by DPS

Necro 0 Dirge 2 Reaping 3
DPS	9081
AttackPower	1
Strength	2.98
Agility	1.29
CritRating	1.94
HasteRating	0.71
ArmorPenetrationRating	1.88
ExpertiseRating	3.2
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	4.86
SpellHitRating	2.54
WeaponDPS	6.46
WeaponSpeed	569.23
2T9	124.59
4T9	436.07
2T10	319.67
4T10	390.16

Necro 5 Dirge 0 Reaping 0
DPS	9090
AttackPower	1
Strength	3.03
Agility	1.31
CritRating	1.91
HasteRating	0.66
ArmorPenetrationRating	2
ExpertiseRating	1.88
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	3.41
SpellHitRating	1.2
WeaponDPS	6.88
WeaponSpeed	375
2T9	164.52
4T9	427.42
2T10	235.48
4T10	372.58

Necro 5 Dirge 2 Reaping 0 Epidemic 0
DPS	9114
AttackPower	1
Strength	3
Agility	1.3
CritRating	1.91
HasteRating	0.82
ArmorPenetrationRating	1.82
ExpertiseRating	1.61
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	3.18
SpellHitRating	1.28
WeaponDPS	6.36
WeaponSpeed	515.15
2T9	139.68
4T9	415.87
2T10	153.97
4T10	355.56

12-00-59
DPS	9134
AttackPower	1
Strength	3.03
Agility	1.38
CritRating	2.06
HasteRating	0.81
ArmorPenetrationRating	1.97
ExpertiseRating	3.31
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	4.88
SpellHitRating	2.46
WeaponDPS	6.72
WeaponSpeed	562.5
2T9	124.19
4T9	369.35
2T10	301.61
4T10	385.48

Necro 3 Dirge 2 Reaping 0
DPS	9136
AttackPower	1
Strength	3.02
Agility	1.35
CritRating	1.94
HasteRating	0.89
ArmorPenetrationRating	1.91
ExpertiseRating	2.28
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	4.22
SpellHitRating	1.42
WeaponDPS	6.62
WeaponSpeed	476.92
2T9	148.39
4T9	424.19
2T10	235.48
4T10	372.58

I also check DPS Variation by just replacing 4p T9 by 2p 10

	4pT9	2p10
Necro0dirge2Reap3	9081	9008
Necro5dirge0Reap0	9090	8968
Necro5dirge2Reap0Epid0	9114	8944
12-00-59	9134	9091
Necro3dirge2Reap0	9136	9014

TLDR:
12-00-59 and 17-00-54 with 2 points in Dirge and 3 in Necrosis are equivalent as long as you have the 4p t9 bonus. After, 12-00-59 will be the spec of choice.

how come that, with the updated statsweight, expertise got such a high value ?

i mean, the only things which are dependant on expertise are scourge strike, autoattack and plaguestrike.
while you simply lose the autoattack if it gets dodged it isnt that much of a loss dps-wise, autoattack is more a small part of ur dps.
with ss and ps u can just reaply it as the rune doesnt get used, so u only "waste" a gcd which unholy has some free between skills anyways.
so whats the matter for beeing it so impartant ?


and has anyone tested the good old 3/10/58 ?
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...7DNdrML,,10958
is it viable compared to the current cookie cutter ? (i cant sim it myself, sim gives me a windows error, dont know why)

Looking at Afabar's numbers, I don't see how the value of haste can go down when you move points into Necrosis from the first spec to the second . . . plus all his haste values seem unreasonably low anyway.

As to why haste has gone up on everybody else's stat ratings, it basically comes down to the fact that haste was the only stat unaffected by the Scourge Strike nerf. Every other stat we measure affected SS damage, so now that SS is no longer glorious, the value of every stat besides haste has gone down, but since they're all measured relative to AP (which also went down in value), it makes it look like haste got stronger.

Which it did, in a relative sense. Just not in an absolute one.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Close also, I think 8400 was my best parse. Though my gear sucks (primarily togc10). And no, we didn't kill him, too many problems with adds sticking to the MT (I have no idea).

Interestingly some of the earlier runs I was blood, and wasn't pulling any better numbers.

I dont think it will be worth it anymore unless you are looking at a 6str for a gem set bonus. I know I will be going back to strait str gems.

Also with all of the AOE fights in ICC i was thinking of going with something like this

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

or

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

or some sort of variation with morbidity and dark conviction... maybe 3 points in to morbidity and 2 into DC. Thoughts?

About what I ended up with as well. Just finished by Saurfang kill (not uploaded yet) and got around 8500 (give or take a couple 100) on each attempt.

The "when to gem orange" section was updated along with the rest. You'll still gem orange plenty, as it's not hugely different then it was in 3.2.2, as crit only changed about ~10% relative to then (most of that change coming from the 4P T9 nerf, if anything).

I don't recall off the top of my head whether GoDD and Morbidity are additive or multiplicative, but even if its the latter, it doesn't affect why you would take one and no the other. You don't take Morbidity because competitive talents are superior. You do take GoDD because competitive glyphs are inferior. That's all it comes down to, really - what the other options are, and GoDD does not have the alternative options which Morbidity does.

Does this mean that GoD is now inferior on all stages of gear? It feels somewhat unlikely looking at parses linked in this thread. At least Makiaveli's was done with GoD - if GoDD is a sensible upgrade over it we would be looking at closing to 9k single target damage which sounds huge considering the nerf.
Another fact to consider is that he was running a Reaping rotation, since he only BSed 6 times.

GoD's attractiveness atm is that of trading a BS-IT-PS sequence with a Pest-SS one. The loss is the extra DC damage from GoDD.

Makaveli's DCs did 221k damage. GoDD would have netted him a 30k dmg increase, or 108 dps.

Now looking at PS IT vs SS and BS BS vs SS is a lot more complex. He only PS and IT'd once, without diseases up; however it's easy to imagine SS overtaking the duo of abilities considering 1 crit and 1 hit did less than the average shadow portion of SS.
For BS too, the average of SS is well above that of 2 BS.

I understand we're on the thin ice of empyrical data and napkin math, but the evidence at the moment seems to be still in favour of Reapin. Am I missing something?

You still have 17/0/54 for both specs in the front page, with and without Reaping, where as the one with is actually linking to 14/0/57.

Glyphes: Wouldn`t be Death and Decay still superior to Dark Death in huge AOE-Fights? Or is it due to the 30 Second CD on DnD without skilling points into Morbidity?

Another question, I don`t understand, why we put 2 Points into morbidity for the 10% higher Death Coil damage and now that we don`t use Reaping, we put those 2 points in Necrosis? With the new rotation, we don`t get less RP? Meaning we will use the same amount of DC and have the same amount of auto-hits, without damage changes to none of the two? Thus I just wonder why to place 5/5 in necrosis? Forgive me if I overlooked something...

Thanks Kaveli for the Parse. Makes the change seem a bit less destructive.

I'm curious how these changes effect how our trinkets stack up?
As much as I'd love to aim for BiS, so far my options have been limited by the best that happen to drop.