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Old 12/13/09, 3:09 PM   #1621
Malsarys
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Zul'Jin
These are my sim results using the TEAM ROBOT simulator. I reported the average of five simulations for a couple variants in my current gear which is 245 (dual-blade butcher axe) with 258 bracers and cloak. Major glyphs were Icy Touch, Ghoul, and Dark Death, except for one sim run with Glyph of Disease instead of GoDD. Necrosis was always 5/5.


17/0/54 dps=8226.5
bladed armor = 5/5
dark conviction=5/5
morbidity=2/3
reaping=3/3

14/0/57 dps=8263.5
bladed armor =5/5
dark conviction=2/5
morbidity=0/3
reaping=3/3

17/0/54 w/ GoDD dps=8406.8
bladed armor = 5/5
dark conviction=5/5
morbidity=0/3
reaping=0/3

17/0/54w/ GoD dps=8254.1
bladed armor = 5/5
dark conviction=5/5
morbidity=0/3
reaping=0/3

15/0/56 dps=8366.3
bladed armor = 3/5
dark conviction=5/5
morbidity=2/3
reaping=0/3

14/0/57 dps=8367.4
bladed armor = 3/5
dark conviction=4/5
morbidity=3/3
reaping=0/3

14/0/57 dps=8371.4
bladed armor = 5/5
dark conviction=2/5
morbidity=3/3
reaping=0/3

14/0/57 dps=8381.5
bladed armor = 4/5
dark conviction=4/5
morbidity=2/3
reaping=0/3

Basically says the same thing that Consider and others have said about the OP spec without reaping, but I wanted to check some other permutations and they are not too far off.

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Old 12/13/09, 3:12 PM   #1622
probiscus
Bald Bull
 
Human Death Knight
 
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Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Lujaar View Post
An additional note on Bryntroll, since it's bound to be asked a few times: The proc rate on the drain life effect is very high, something like 9-10 ppm counting procs from specials. I'm not working off a huge sample size but I have it as 3.3% of my DPS on Anub-25H and close to 5% on fights with less AoE.

I assume the high proc rate is intended, as the weapon has to make up for losing 0.2 swing speed compared to Cryptmaker (in addition to the item budget spent on the proc instead of stats). Obviously that's pure speculation though.

E: Minor correction, thought I had a purely single-target parse with Drain Life > 5%. Turns out I don't, and that was just an estimate based on parses with it doing 4.5%-ish where I also had a bunch of AoE damage. Anyway, proc is still good and probably about 5% DPS on a Patchwerk fight.
Picked up Bryntoll this week, have some saurfang parses up at: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

FWIW the only "aoe" I was doing was pesting adds shortly after their spawn. Our (obviously failed) strat was to typhoon them then start AOE, I was simply pesting to give the nuking casters EP.

In our 8 attempts vs Saurfang the proc accounted for the following % of my total damage:
3.9 (blood)
6.2 (blood)
5.7 (blood)
4.2 (uh)
5.9 (uh)
5.9 (uh)
5.8 (uh)
6.5 (uh)

This evening is our raid night, should have a full togc10, ICC10 and maly (weekly raid) to choose from. Are there any proc-watching mods anyone would like me to run to better test this? Or just post the WoL parse afterwords?

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Old 12/13/09, 3:18 PM   #1623
PAD
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Stormscale (EU)
thanks!

thank you very much for all the hard work , for me i found the information useful.

what i do find weird is how when i looked at this a day ago and now stuff has changed, like the back from haste to agility then back to haste, is it do with the the nerf on ss double crit or because other items now been found?

their are a few items i would have thought would have been better however what do i know :P hehe

thanks again for all the information, please keep it up

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Old 12/13/09, 4:21 PM   #1624
scrangos
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Night Elf Death Knight
 
Proudmoore
Uhm, Im usually very shy about posting to not make a fool of myself among experts but this seemed worthwhile...

I'm still messing around with GoD specs ingame since I had trouble getting a difference in dps with the GoDD specs in the OP. I was trying to figure out a better opening rotation that I've read nothing about and decided to test a mechanic before posting here.

It seems GoD is rolling damage % modifiers. Pestilence doesn't seem to be applying rage of rivendare on the first disease either. (well assuming opening with PS)


Damage % modifier test came from these.

PS PS Check damage
Blood strike, gain desolation, check damage
pestilence to refresh, check damage

Clear results, new test2

PS PS check damage
Blood presence, check damage
pestilence to refresh, check damage

All 3 cases within the same test were equal damage until I applied blood plague again using PS.


Edit:

The original rotation I had in mind was:

Start in unholy presence. Armor pot before entering combat.
HoW right before starting to gain RP.
hyperspeed accelerators
PS IT
BS, rune tap, gargoyle, blood presence, pest, SS

The idea was to dump the initial runes a bit faster but mostly open with a 15% extra hasted gargoyle. Using pest to refresh diseases into their blood presence equivalent. Though If what i posted above was right, this opening is useless.

Last edited by scrangos : 12/13/09 at 4:33 PM.

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Old 12/13/09, 4:45 PM   #1625
Artamier
Banned
 
Orc Rogue
 
Firetree
Just throwing around a few ideas. For the single target DPS spec for unholy, will it be possible for us to replace glyph of Dark Death with glyph of Scourge Strike. With that, we take away 2 points from epidemic and 1 point frm necrosis and put all 3 into reaping. Will this be effective?

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Old 12/13/09, 5:40 PM   #1626
Spandy87
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Blackrock
Is needle-encrusted scorpion > greatness for unholy now?

sorry if this has already been answered or discussed in an alternative thread.

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Old 12/13/09, 5:55 PM   #1627
jacaregorgo
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Gorgonnash (EU)
Hi There,

with this spec http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...P,QpF3eO,10482 i get

8835 with 2H ToC Unholy
&
9083 with 2H ToC Blood

Simulated Time 100h
Latency Time 150s
Many 300s long fights.

greets

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Old 12/13/09, 6:08 PM   #1628
Glutton
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Kalecgos
Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
Picked up Bryntoll this week, have some saurfang parses up at: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

...

This evening is our raid night, should have a full togc10, ICC10 and maly (weekly raid) to choose from. Are there any proc-watching mods anyone would like me to run to better test this? Or just post the WoL parse afterwords?
Drain life has a flat 10% chance to proc "on hit." There is no ICD.

The definition of on hit is somewhat more expansive than "melee hit" or "physical hit". It excludes spells like Death Coil and DOT ticks, but includes things like Blood-Caked Blade and the shadow portion of Scourge Strike. The best way to get a model of the weapon's DPS for DK would be to test each of your DPS abilities individually.

Applying and refreshing diseases may be an opportunity to proc Drain Life. For example, when Retribution applies or refreshes Righteous Vengeance and Blood Corruption (our two DOTs) it act as independent opportunities to proc Drain Life in addition to the white or yellow hit that triggers the application/refresh.

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Old 12/13/09, 6:28 PM   #1629
dr_AllCOM3
Great Tiger
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Blutkessel (EU)
Originally Posted by Glutton View Post
Proc [...] and the shadow portion of Scourge Strike.
Does Scourge Strike count as two hits for all kinds of procs? That would be a nice addition for the sim, if it's not already in it.


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Old 12/13/09, 6:34 PM   #1630
Fearlezz
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Dunemaul (EU)
I tested necrosis and it doesn't proc Drain Life.

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Old 12/13/09, 6:43 PM   #1631
Rambaldi
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Blackrock
I noticed in the BiS list there is a agi ring, wouldn't the exalted Ashen Verdict ring be better then this? Haven't noticed anyone mention that ring yet.

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Old 12/13/09, 6:51 PM   #1632
shed
Don Flamenco
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Scilla
Speaking of Ashen Verdict rep rings, I'm surprised there isn't a STR ring added and wondering how long it will take for them to add one sort of like they did for the Dalaran rings.

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Old 12/13/09, 7:39 PM   #1633
 frmorrison
Protector
 
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Ashstrike
Human Paladin
 
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Originally Posted by Glutton View Post
Applying and refreshing diseases may be an opportunity to proc Drain Life. For example, when Retribution applies or refreshes Righteous Vengeance and Blood Corruption (our two DOTs) it act as independent opportunities to proc Drain Life in addition to the white or yellow hit that triggers the application/refresh.
From one hour log (I have since deleted it), the application of diseases and debuff of Ebon Plague could chain proc it.

The combat log said something like:
Ashbane casts Plague Strike
Ashbane case Blood Plaugue
Then double Drain Life procs all at the same time stamp.

Originally Posted by shed View Post
Speaking of Ashen Verdict rep rings, I'm surprised there isn't a STR ring added and wondering how long it will take for them to add one sort of like they did for the Dalaran rings.
Not anytime soon. The good thing is there is a way to spend 200g to swap rings if they ever had a dps Strength ring.

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Old 12/13/09, 7:40 PM   #1634
Ebonplague
Glass Joe
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Durotan (EU)
Originally Posted by Glutton View Post
Drain life has a flat 10% chance to proc "on hit." There is no ICD.
Picked up Bryntroll too and analyzed my recount stats for several Lady Deathwhisper tries where I, obviously, was on add duty. Though it might have that 10% proc chance it almost always tourned out for me to be about 4 ppm (should be 5ppm on a single target encounter on average), proccing for something just short off 3k which turns out to be a 200 DPS increase overall (250 then on 100% single target). Hard to believe, that any other weapon with the same ilvl could gain you the same increase through mere stats.

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Old 12/13/09, 8:25 PM   #1635
Zinfadel
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Ner'zhul
Forgive me if someone has already asked this question, but if I take the 17/0/54 spec on the OP(meaning I'll have GoD), would you switch out your 2nd BS for a pestilence still, on single target rotations?

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