Unholy Dps | 3.3.5, King of Anything - Page 110

sahtra · 12/13/09, 8:50 PM

2nd BS if you have time, if short on time, better to refresh without desolation for a rotation for convenience.

If you begin a pestilence before bs rotation then desolation should still be up when it comes time to refresh diseases again (in a perfect world).

Also, never hesitate to burn a blood tap to get a pest off in situations where your rotation won't allow you to refresh.

dEm0 · 12/13/09, 9:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dezzimal

I made a quick fix for recount that separates out your physical and shadow portions of your scourge strikes, it is a bit hackish and if anyone who actually maintains recount sees it they'll probably slap me good, but it works. Grab the attachment and overwrite Interface/Addons/Recount/Tracker.lua with the contents of my zip file.

First at all thanks Dezzimal for the fast fix, helps out for tracking and testing

I have a couple of reports on 3 heroics and ICC 10, and Recount shows no "Scourge Strike Shadow" crits at all.
I was wondering if it's a Recount issue, Dezz's fix, or maybe a bug? Did anyone else noticed this?

Shanoa · 12/13/09, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by dEm0

First at all thanks Dezzimal for the fast fix, helps out for tracking and testing

I have a couple of reports on 3 heroics and ICC 10, and Recount shows no "Scourge Strike Shadow" crits at all.
I was wondering if it's a Recount issue, Dezz's fix, or maybe a bug? Did anyone else noticed this?

The shadow part of SS can't crit any longer. They hotfixed that at wednesday.

Now about the topic, why the rotation changed from SS - BS - BS - SS to SS - BS - SS - BS? Didn't got that, since the FU runes would still be on CD after the first BS.

Shevirah · 12/13/09, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Shanoa

Now about the topic, why the rotation changed from SS - BS - BS - SS to SS - BS - SS - BS? Didn't got that, since the FU runes would still be on CD after the first BS.

I think you are talking about the rotation without reaping right?

PS – IT – BS – SS – BS – DC – HoW
SS – BS – SS – BS – DC – DC– (DC)

Well after the first BS in the second half of the rotation the FU runes will be off CD since you used a SS right after the first BS in the first half of the rotation. Basically the 2 halfs are the same except that in the second one there's a SS instead of a PS-IT.

Beberionn · 12/13/09, 10:17 PM

Hi all, some Bryntol Facts from my Unholy DK Bebera

Bryntoll Single Target DPS on Deathbringer Saurfang Fight 25N (05:37 Combattime)

Life Leech DMG: 149793
Proccs: 50
Average DMG: 2995.9
Proccs per Minute: 8,75

Log Link: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Shaqattack · 12/13/09, 10:27 PM

My SS crit chance seems very low, I believe the meters are showing the physical portion critting seeing as how the shadow no longer crits. My personal crit rating was at 36.19% at the time and SS definitely crit more often previous to 3.3.
It usually crits between 17%-24% on most fights, was testing it in 10H toc, picture is for jaraxxus.
Have been using the most recent non-reaping spec and rotation.
Any obvious idea's I'm overlooking?

Frostx · 12/13/09, 10:43 PM

Your recount is merging your physical and shadow portions of scourge strike together. Scourge Strike (Shadow) can't crit so if you crit 50 out of 100 scourge strikes recount will show it as you crit 50 out of 200 (100 physical + 100 shadow) resulting in a lower crit %. Grab the hack-fix from Dezzimal here.

Consider · 12/13/09, 11:46 PM

The best numbers I can come up with put 1 DPS being equal to 1.4 to 1.6 AP for Unholy, depending on the gear level and such factors.

The numbers Beberionn provided (with others being very similar, but as his post is just a couple above) put the proc at being worth (2995.9 x 8.75) / 60 = 436.9 DPS, which is the equivalent of 611-699 AP. Very safe to say that the heroic version would then easily surpass that 625 threshold (especially if you consider the proc is likely affected by our 4P T10 bonus), making it BiS, short of Shadowmourne.

AoE might seem like an exception where you would want a different weapon, but it really isn't. The main thing you lose from Cryptmaker, the strongest alternative, is simply ArP (from the weapon itself and from the item you swap to pick up hit) and weapon speed, which have no more effect on AoE than Bryntroll's proc, so it's not a factor.

Glutton · 12/14/09, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

From one hour log (I have since deleted it), the application of diseases and debuff of Ebon Plague could chain proc it.

The combat log said something like:
Ashbane casts Plague Strike
Ashbane case Blood Plaugue
Then double Drain Life procs all at the same time stamp.

I'd be amused to see how Pestilence interacts with the Bryntroll proc. For example on Anub'arak you may get twelve (3 debuffs * 4 targets) chances to proc Drain Life every time you press the Pestilence key.

Beberionn · 12/14/09, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Consider

The best numbers I can come up with put 1 DPS being equal to 1.4 to 1.6 AP for Unholy, depending on the gear level and such factors.

The numbers Beberionn provided (with others being very similar, but as his post is just a couple above) put the proc at being worth (2995.9 x 8.75) / 60 = 436.9 DPS, which is the equivalent of 611-699 AP. Very safe to say that the heroic version would then easily surpass that 625 threshold (especially if you consider the proc is likely affected by our 4P T10 bonus), making it BiS, short of Shadowmourne.

AoE might seem like an exception where you would want a different weapon, but it really isn't. The main thing you lose from Cryptmaker, the strongest alternative, is simply ArP (from the weapon itself and from the item you swap to pick up hit) and weapon speed, which have no more effect on AoE than Bryntroll's proc, so it's not a factor.

Just have a Look on our KDS Calendar on Worldoflogs for some more Logs. Sunday TOC and TOGC logs are also in, there you can look the Proccs in every Fight for some more analyzes.

But i think it was a upgrade for my DK and better than the Justicebringer i used before :-)

And Sorry for my bad English^^

Shaqattack · 12/14/09, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Frostx

Your recount is merging your physical and shadow portions of scourge strike together. Scourge Strike (Shadow) can't crit so if you crit 50 out of 100 scourge strikes recount will show it as you crit 50 out of 200 (100 physical + 100 shadow) resulting in a lower crit %. Grab the hack-fix from Dezzimal here.

Tried out the fix for recount still sitting at 26% average, thinking of gemming more crit/str gems in respectable sockets in this case? Sitting at 2172 str without HoW.

Spandy87 · 12/14/09, 1:32 AM

So any info on Needle-encrusted scorpion versus greatness?

Shaqattack · 12/14/09, 1:50 AM

Originally Posted by Spandy87

So any info on Needle-encrusted scorpion versus greatness?

Much of what I've read said it's a 10 percent proc rate, and it only procs on crits. I use greatness over it hands down.
However the Deathbringer's will trinket from 25 ICC has the passive arp plus Str or AP (or) on proc which is what most people have on their christmas list including myself.

Deadline · 12/14/09, 1:50 AM

We know that the heroic version of Bryntroll will probably be BiS minus Shadowmourne. But at the current stage, what are people thinking about Bryntroll vs. Heroic Justicebringer? From what I can tell looking at logs - It seems like normal Bryntroll will be an upgrade over it for sure.

Liandris · 12/14/09, 2:31 AM

Just curious, has anyone considered Shadow's Edge as a possible weapon to use pre-hard modes? I know it is not yet available, but it will presumbly be, when the next wing is released. MMO champion has its stats, though I have no idea if it's confirmed. Link below:

Shadow's Edge - Items - Sigrie