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Old 12/16/09, 1:19 PM   #1756
aciak
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Grim Batol (EU)
15 Str if you cannot use at least thirteen points of that hit
I'm having some trouble figuring what I've overseen here. To me it seems that Crusher enchant (+44 AP) would be better if the hit was not needed?

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Old 12/16/09, 1:25 PM   #1757
DunkelTwo
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Arthaz
Orc Death Knight
 
Ragnaros
Originally Posted by aciak View Post
I'm having some trouble figuring what I've overseen here. To me it seems that Crusher enchant (+44 AP) would be better if the hit was not needed?

T9 Stat Weight [15 x 3.07 = 46.05 AP]
T10 Stat Weights [15 x 2.96 = 44.4 AP]

a bit better than 44ap

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Old 12/16/09, 1:35 PM   #1758
Obeidat
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Spinebreaker (EU)
I did some Kahorie's simulations for my DK and got the following

AttackPower | 1
Strength | 3.12
Agility | 1.29
CritRating | 1.9
HasteRating | 2.68
ArmorPenetrationRating | 1.66
ExpertiseRating | 1.29
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8% | 2.92
SpellHitRating | 1.3
WeaponDPS | 6.44
WeaponSpeed | 237.29
2T9 | 149.12
4T9 | 347.37
2T10 | 133.33
4T10 | 338.6
| Template | Unholy 17-00-54-3
| Rotation | unholy
| Presence | Blood
| Sigil | Virulence
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader /
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader
| Pet Calculation | True


I'm having higher weight value for haste and lower for ArP than what suggested at the OP for gear ilvl245..shall i go with what i got or prioritize Arp gear over haste?

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Old 12/16/09, 1:58 PM   #1759
Malcophant
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Goblin Mage
 
Bleeding Hollow
Originally Posted by Obeidat View Post
I did some Kahorie's simulations for my DK and got the following

AttackPower | 1
Strength | 3.12
Agility | 1.29
CritRating | 1.9
HasteRating | 2.68
ArmorPenetrationRating | 1.66
ExpertiseRating | 1.29
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8% | 2.92
SpellHitRating | 1.3
WeaponDPS | 6.44
WeaponSpeed | 237.29
2T9 | 149.12
4T9 | 347.37
2T10 | 133.33
4T10 | 338.6
| Template | Unholy 17-00-54-3
| Rotation | unholy
| Presence | Blood
| Sigil | Virulence
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader /
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader
| Pet Calculation | True


I'm having higher weight value for haste and lower for ArP than what suggested at the OP for gear ilvl245..shall i go with what i got or prioritize Arp gear over haste?
Barring human error on your part, the EP results you get for your gear will always be more accurate than general EPs posted in threads. The general EPs posted are good for making quick decisions, but using the sim to find your own EPs will always be more accurate.

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Old 12/16/09, 2:21 PM   #1760
dadvocate09
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Human Death Knight
 
Stormreaver
Have we cracked the code on how to interpret Scourge Strike in Recount now? It's important to decide when my gear's enough to pick Reaping up again. If not, and Recount fails to be useful with our current SS system, what damage meter is recommended?

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Old 12/16/09, 2:29 PM   #1761
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Kroot
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r1096 | elsia | 2009-12-14 23:52:55 +0000 (Mon, 14 Dec 2009) | 3 lines
Changed paths:
M /trunk/Tracker.lua

- Added disambiguation of the two Scourge Strike components. The shadow part will now be reported as Scourge Strike (Shadow). I would prefer a more generic solution but always adding the spell school is too spammy for my taste, so this will have to do for now.

Recount has been fixed, please stop cluttering up the thread with this now.

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See this is how engineers argue! Why the fuck we gotta have 17 page threads on how much Diablo 3 sucks I blame liberal arts majors

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Old 12/16/09, 3:50 PM   #1762
FriedCherry
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Human Death Knight
 
Kirin Tor
Originally Posted by Rataka View Post
You are not doing something wrong.
As Unholy DK you have plenty empty GlobalCooldowns :-)

the Second DC in the Rotation can be used for HoW oder summoning the Garg as well.
Ok cool.. I don't feel SO stupid. I still don't my numbers and I don't know what else to improve them.

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Old 12/16/09, 3:54 PM   #1763
Mild Confusion
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Medivh
The new recount does it now if you DL it.

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Old 12/16/09, 5:03 PM   #1764
level12wizard
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Orc Death Knight
 
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by Obeidat View Post
I did some Kahorie's simulations for my DK and got the following

AttackPower | 1
Strength | 3.12
Agility | 1.29
CritRating | 1.9
HasteRating | 2.68
ArmorPenetrationRating | 1.66
ExpertiseRating | 1.29
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8% | 2.92
SpellHitRating | 1.3
WeaponDPS | 6.44
WeaponSpeed | 237.29
2T9 | 149.12
4T9 | 347.37
2T10 | 133.33
4T10 | 338.6
| Template | Unholy 17-00-54-3
| Rotation | unholy
| Presence | Blood
| Sigil | Virulence
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader /
| RuneEnchant | FallenCrusader
| Pet Calculation | True


I'm having higher weight value for haste and lower for ArP than what suggested at the OP for gear ilvl245..shall i go with what i got or prioritize Arp gear over haste?

EP is always going to vary based on exact gear, however, are you sure you're using the correct rotation? As far as I know, the rotation that comes pre-loaded with the sim isn't true to the current rotations, it's the ten second rotation from 3.2. That would account for the huge haste discrepancy.

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Old 12/16/09, 6:42 PM   #1765
Asherett
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Orc Death Knight
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
I would love some explanation of how AoE is "omnipresent" in TotC/TotGC. At least in 10man there is virtually no AoE on any of the fights, beyond 2 targets (at which a fury warrior is far superior). Please provide some examples.

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Old 12/16/09, 7:17 PM   #1766
Consider
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Dragonblight
The new version of the sim includes DPS per AP, and I was receiving ~0.65 per 1 AP, which is 1.53 AP per DPS, perfectly within the range I had calculated. It hurts to be so right sometimes.

As to those above stat weights, although yes, differing exactly from mine is to be expected, it shouldn't differ near that much. There's either a flaw from operator error, or a flaw from sim error. Without knowing more, it's impossible to say which, and without having a valid armory linked in your profile, its impossible for me to try to run your character myself to compare results.

Two targets is enough for Pest'ing, which allows Unholy to surpass Blood/Frost. Beasts (p1, p2), Jaraxxus, FC, Twins, Anub... all five - every single fight in the instance - involve two (or more, in the case of Jaraxxus, FC, and Anub) targets, which allows Unholy to beat the other DKs specs. How it does relative to other classes is another matter, and not completely relevant since the line which you're quoting was primarily in regards to Unholy verse Blood/Frost in TotC.

Although I do happen to consider Death Knights one of the strongest raid dps classes for a number of reasons (which I would happily argue, although that's not really the purpose of this thread), in that section I'm not looking to convince anyone to reroll or any such thing - simply convincing them of Unholy's worth relative to the other options a DK has - Blood/Frost. It's rather self-evident these days, but when the thread started Unholy was the underdog of the specs (with Blood ignorantly being considered the premier dps spec). It's come into its own since then, however, as I am quite pleased - although certainly unsurprised - to say. People notice superiority eventually! (And buffs along the way don't hurt).

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Old 12/16/09, 7:44 PM   #1767
Yotka
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Orc Death Knight
 
Ysondre (EU)
Originally Posted by Consider View Post
with Blood ignorantly being considered the premier dps spec
Unholy WAS the underdog - and Blood was well above everything because of bugs/exploits and my diseaseless blood template before it was fixed.

DRW + Pestilence ring a bell anyone?
DRW + Bloodboil?

DRW used to cast one BB and one P for EACH mob (20 mobs = 20*20 etc). Blood had the best AE and single target dps by quite a large margin back then.

Also blood has been accumulating nerfs (HS/DRW etc).

Be fair to Blood!

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Old 12/16/09, 7:46 PM   #1768
Kaejin
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The problems always being that people are often far too concerned about uninterrupted single-target DPS when such fights are often the rarest in current raiding, and that they're often ill-informed.

Even now if you ask on the WoW DK forums what the highest DPS spec is, most people will say Blood despite Unholy's current performance. I think it'll take a couple more weeks before most of them catch on that the SS buff was pretty dramatic for unholy when it was already giving Blood a hard time in ToGC.

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Old 12/16/09, 8:38 PM   #1769
Nifty01
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Human Death Knight
 
Mug'thol (EU)
Regarding Deathbringer's Will: I have seen DKs report getting Str/Crit/Arp while Blood, and Str/Crit/Haste while Unholy. Are we certain that it takes your spec into account or could it just be that it looks at your top 3 stats on your gear?
We had it drop today and it does indeed seem like as blood or frost spec the third proc is arp while as unholy it is haste. (not 100% sure, we did only test for an hour, never had haste proc for frost/blood or arp for unholy). Str and Crit proc for all three specs.

Were the calculations for the trinket done with the arp proc?

Last edited by Nifty01 : 12/16/09 at 8:43 PM.

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Old 12/16/09, 11:00 PM   #1770
Berzerker9
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Orc Death Knight
 
Thrall
if you get 2 DCs off in a row does the unholy blight dot count towards two death coils? or just the last one?

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